Re: Struts/SQL Server rephrased

[Mark Lowe]

On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 07:30 PM, David Graham wrote:

--- Mark Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Godfrey

I think what folks are trying to say is that the SQL stuff is separate
to the struts stuff, and this is kind of what its about. There is a
data source definition that confuses the hell out of people new to
struts as it seems to implicitly suggest that it should be used.
However most of the folks advise against its use as it encourages
breaking with MVC.. That said, there are examples in the documentation
and if you're used to quick dirty SQL in html pages then using struts
even when breaking MVC is still progress.
You'll want some JDBC references and google will find you some.

when you've got the hang of doing SQL (JDBC) stuff in your struts
flavored webapp. I really dont know why folks get so snobby about
people breaking with MVC to get started..
I wouldn't describe the responses as "snobby".  The question was 
confusing
because Struts has nothing to do with SQL Server or database access in
general.  You can code JDBC in Struts actions just like a normal 
Servlet
app.  There is no "Struts way" to do database access.
I know that, you know that, some poor sod with SQLServer and obviously 
little java experience perhaps doesn't. The datasource configuration in 
struts config does can lead to folks think there is..



The funny thing is its the
same folks recommending JSTL which have SQL as part of the lib.
That's like saying you shouldn't use JSP because it lets you create
confusing scriptlets.  You don't have to use the JSTL's sql tags just 
like
you don't have to use JSP scriptlets for them to both be good
technologies.
I guess what I said could be read like that.. But tags aren't the same 
as embedding java in your jsp's. At least you can port the java code 
out of jsp's,  and the java is still java. The stuff you learn using 
scriptlets is useful across the board and thus perhaps less of a waste 
of time. If you used SQL tags then what use is that? Where you going to 
go with them?

So no sorry, its not like saying scriptlets are bad for this reason, 
its really quite different.

Mark

David

When you've done all that and you've seen what a pain it can be, 
you'll
naturally arrive at the point where you'll hate SQL and be gagging for
an object-relational bridge. But I'd worry about this when you get
here..

Hope this helps

Mark

On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 05:26 PM, Lynn Guy wrote:

Let's restate the question...
I'm new to struts and my database is SQL Server.  Can
someone point me in the correct direction where to
find out how to set up an environment that utilizes
these two to build an application?
--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- Jayson Falkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Godfrey,

I can't think of any, but I'm positive you would
get some pointers if
you asked the Struts user list. I'll send a copy
this to the list.
Does anyone know of a good Struts tutorial that
also deals with using
SQL Server?
They are completely unrelated topics.  Struts
actions should never know
where you're getting your data.
David



Thanks,

Jayson Falkner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hey Jayson,

Know any decent struts tutorials when using it
on top of SQL Server?
Hope all is well.

Thanks

Godfrey Nolan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






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