Yes that would be very helpful I think If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames over the weekend we will meet the deadline
but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt <christianm...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Eben's points below... > > Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is describing? > > Christian > > > On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo >>>> >>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>>> >>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>>> (travelling today) >>>> >>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example >>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after >>>> the Sugar spash page >>> >>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels >>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the >>> UI. >>> >>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and >>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain >>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >>> sugar logo. Thoughts? >>> >>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >>> >>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to >>> find that info. >>> >>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the >>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not >>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We >>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 >>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow >>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside >>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make >>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); >>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) >>>> is a key aspect of that. >>>> >>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a >>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? >>> >>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The >>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which >>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for >>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >>> directly to the correct settings panel. >>> >>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing >>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal >>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >>> >>> I would be fine with either approach. >>> >>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; >>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version >>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control >>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar >>>> has room I think. >>> >>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be >>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you >>> want to carry with you all the time. >>> >>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach >>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>>> >>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color >>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the >>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >>> >>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but >> >> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually >> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. >> >> Eben >> >>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >>> releases (2 per year, on average). >>> >>> >>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't >>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO >>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that >>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo >>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem >>> fit within that concept. >>> >>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back >>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >>> simple and clean and matches the UI. >>> >>> Eben >>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for >>>>> the >>>>> growing ring. >>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise >>>>> orange to >>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets >>>>> (perhaps >>>>> the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors that might >>>>> come >>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or >>>>> digital >>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of >>>>> them. >>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the >>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a >>>>> safe >>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. "Will I >>>>> grow >>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my >>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after >>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about >>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic >>>>>> guidelines' >>>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I >>>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a >>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name >>>>>> of >>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a gray >>>>>> Sugar >>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar >>>>>> Home >>>>>> view.) >>>>>> Thanks everyone! --Fred >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I mostly like it. Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>>>> 1. No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel). >>>>>>>> 2. Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>>>> 3. Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no >>>>>>>> unfilled >>>>>>>> place >>>>>>>> holders). I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring >>>>>>>> growing >>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed >>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>> burst. >>>>>>>> Thank you! --Fred >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel