Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail the other day about communicating the version :-)
I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the twelve variants. To make that work, the actual place where the version number is communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo. I like this progress bar boot screen because: * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion with graphic elements. * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just "the system" running on XOs, netbooks, etc. I miss the iconic ring treatment though. And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro co-branding. Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the "About my computer" page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional. For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I direct your attention to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: > On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote: >> >>> Yes that would be very helpful I think >> >> I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated >> version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation. > > Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar > treatment: > > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif > > FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo for > each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping > through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a boot > anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea but > I think a big ask at this point in time). > > FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were based > on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely not > not random :-) > > Regards, > --Gary > >>> If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames >>> over the weekend we will meet the deadline >>> >>> but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have >>> is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) >> >> Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save >> for web" away. >> >> Regards, >> --Gary >> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt >>> <christianm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Eben's points below... >>>> >>>> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is >>>> describing? >>>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>>>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>>>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>>>>>> (travelling today) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the >>>>>>> example >>>>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>>>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or >>>>>>> after >>>>>>> the Sugar spash page >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >>>>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >>>>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that >>>>>> feels >>>>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from >>>>>> the >>>>>> UI. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads >>>>>> powerfully, and >>>>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could >>>>>> entertain >>>>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >>>>>> sugar logo. Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>>>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >>>>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot >>>>>> just to >>>>>> find that info. >>>>>> >>>>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners >>>>>>> might not >>>>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>>>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about >>>>>>> versioning). We >>>>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running >>>>>>> v0..84 >>>>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>>>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we >>>>>>> hope) sow >>>>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>>>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... >>>>>>> aside >>>>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>>>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>>>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press >>>>>>> releases); >>>>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>>>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>>>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each >>>>>>> Activity) >>>>>>> is a key aspect of that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time >>>>>>> (especially a >>>>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from >>>>>>> Apple? >>>>>> >>>>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >>>>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. >>>>>> The >>>>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, >>>>>> which >>>>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design >>>>>> for >>>>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >>>>>> directly to the correct settings panel. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, >>>>>> removing >>>>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own >>>>>> modal >>>>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be fine with either approach. >>>>>> >>>>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the >>>>>>> screen; >>>>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX >>>>>>> version >>>>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the >>>>>>> Control >>>>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The >>>>>>> bottom bar >>>>>>> has room I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only >>>>>> be >>>>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information >>>>>> you >>>>>> want to carry with you all the time. >>>>>> >>>>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>>>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>>>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>>>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good >>>>>>> approach >>>>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo >>>>>>> color >>>>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color >>>>>>> is the >>>>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but >>>>> >>>>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually >>>>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome >>>>> idea. >>>>> >>>>> Eben >>>>> >>>>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >>>>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >>>>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >>>>>> releases (2 per year, on average). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >>>>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but >>>>>> won't >>>>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring >>>>>> the XO >>>>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >>>>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of >>>>>> that >>>>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >>>>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar >>>>>> logo >>>>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't >>>>>> seem >>>>>> fit within that concept. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go >>>>>> back >>>>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >>>>>> simple and clean and matches the UI. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eben >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' >>>>>>>> metaphor for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> growing ring. >>>>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise >>>>>>>> orange to >>>>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets >>>>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>>>> the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors >>>>>>>> that might >>>>>>>> come >>>>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day >>>>>>>> ahead of >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically >>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a >>>>>>>> home--a >>>>>>>> safe >>>>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. >>>>>>>> "Will I >>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the >>>>>>>>> 'About my >>>>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed >>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me >>>>>>>>> nervous about >>>>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic >>>>>>>>> guidelines' >>>>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for >>>>>>>>> me? Will I >>>>>>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a >>>>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing >>>>>>>>> the name >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a >>>>>>>>> gray >>>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the >>>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>>> Home >>>>>>>>> view.) >>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone! --Fred >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I mostly like it. Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>>>>>>> 1. No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" >>>>>>>>>>> panel). >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) >>>>>>>>>>> to fit >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no >>>>>>>>>>> unfilled >>>>>>>>>>> place >>>>>>>>>>> holders). I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring >>>>>>>>>>> growing >>>>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the >>>>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>>>> burst. >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! --Fred >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a >>>>>>>>>>>> "growing" >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>>>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Marketing mailing list >>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel