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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (Steven Gelsie) (John Shott)
2. Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (Ken Mandelberg)
3. Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (Garry Taylor)
4. X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (Dave McGuire)
5. Re: X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray
(Craig Bender)
6. Re: X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray
(Dave McGuire)
7. Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (John Stewart)
8. Re: SRS 5.4 26D on Solaris 11.1 (Craig Bender)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 08:58:25 -0700
From: John Shott <sh...@stanford.edu>
To: sunray-users@filibeto.org
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray (Steven Gelsie)
Message-ID: <5183dea1.9030...@stanford.edu>
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SunRay User Community:
My experiences are very similar to Garry's: we deployed about 30 SunRay
1G devices in our lab in late 1999. That was when you needed a
dedicated network, no provision for fail over, etc. In a lab where
folks move from station to station all day, the mobility is a big win
and always has been. The Solaris support required is minimal ... and
I'm more of a lab rat than a system administrator. We have the 100
client perpetual license for our SunRay, a support license for our
servers running Solaris 10. I don't even know what that costs ... it's
a small number in most enterprises. I see the purchase orders go by for
another Dell PC for a desktop and the bills for hours of desktop support
... our SunRays don't cost a fraction of that. I've got a shelf full of
spare 1Gs ... and when one occasionally dies, I replace it and I'm good
to go. Zero administration! I like that ...
My only beef: I wish the 1Gs weren't quite that reliable ... I'd like to
have some of the newer SunRays, but with 1Gs still on the shelf, I've
got no need to spend anything further.
I've made a number of stupid decisions over the years ... but going with
SunRays 14 years ago was a smart one that I'm still happy with.
Thanks,
John
On 5/3/2013 8:36 AM, Garry Taylor wrote:
I don't have any experience with the Wyse products, but have used Sun
Ray for many years. We probably have the simplest set up going, a
server, and a few Sun Rays. The server runs Solaris, and we don't use
Windows virtual machines or anything like that.
In this config, I find it hard to believe that anything is as cost
effective as Sun Ray, licensing costs are very, very low. As for TCO,
well that's up for debate, but I find once I get the GUI firmware onto
a Sun Ray, maintenance is over, and they "just work".
Sun Rays don't see that many updates, but I like that, isn't that the
point? That it is an extremely dumb device attached to a very non-dumb
server?
Anyway, great to hear from someone actually at Oracle. I'd love to see
firmware available at no-cost, but Oracle needs to make Sun Ray pay
the bills, I can accept that.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 12:16:43 -0400
From: Ken Mandelberg <k...@mathcs.emory.edu>
To: sunray-users@filibeto.org
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray
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Are there actually any alternatives to Sunray that allow a group of 50
or so thin clients share a single instance of Linux (on a powerful server)?
We have done this for some time with Sunray. Admittedly Oracle pushes
the Virtualization solution of one VM per user which doesn't suit us,
and only supports Oracle Linux (we want Ubuntu).
However, I don't know that any of the other solutions even do this.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 17:21:35 +0100
From: Garry Taylor <taylor.ga...@gmail.com>
To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray
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The alternative I can think of would be a simple X Terminal, I like X
Terminals as they work on pretty much every UNIX ever, and some other OS
like OpenVMS. I have had trouble with them though, compared to Sun Rays
with fonts, as the X Terminal itself draws text, not just draw an image
like the Sun Ray does.
X Terminals are cool, but Sun Rays seem better to me.
I think the one VM per user is a colossal waste of resources, but I guess
that's in the interests of the company selling you servers.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Ken Mandelberg <k...@mathcs.emory.edu> wrote:
Are there actually any alternatives to Sunray that allow a group of 50 or
so thin clients share a single instance of Linux (on a powerful server)?
We have done this for some time with Sunray. Admittedly Oracle pushes the
Virtualization solution of one VM per user which doesn't suit us, and only
supports Oracle Linux (we want Ubuntu).
However, I don't know that any of the other solutions even do this.
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 12:45:17 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcgu...@neurotica.com>
To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Subject: [SunRay-Users] X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs
sunray
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On 05/03/2013 12:21 PM, Garry Taylor wrote:
The alternative I can think of would be a simple X Terminal, I like X
Terminals as they work on pretty much every UNIX ever, and some other OS
like OpenVMS. I have had trouble with them though, compared to Sun Rays
with fonts, as the X Terminal itself draws text, not just draw an image
like the Sun Ray does.
X Terminals are cool, but Sun Rays seem better to me.
Oh man you seriously brought back some memories with this post.
In the early- to mid-1990s, I set up dozens of X-terminals built
around Sun-3/50. 3/60, and 3/80 machines running the "Xkernel" package.
Does anyone remember that? XKernel was basically a stripped-down SunOS
kernel, with /sbin/init replaced by a shell script that just started an
X server that came up and listened for XDMCP messages. My whole company
ran on those for many years. They were back-ended by a few Sun-3/200s,
3/400s, and (for the lucky ones) 4/300s.
I miss those days, and those machines. I really should've kept more
of them for myself.
On that note...if anyone in the general vicinity of western
Pennsylvania has any early Sun gear that needs a new home, or any
vintage gear at all (does "PDP" or "VAX" mean anything to you?), drop me
a note. I have a biggish building, housing a large collection, and am
building what will eventually be a public museum.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:51:10 -0700
From: Craig Bender <craig.ben...@oracle.com>
To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs
sunray
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Warehouse 13? Wait, no. That's in South Dakota. :)
On 5/3/13 9:45 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have a biggish building, housing a large collection, and am
building what will eventually be a public museum.
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 12:54:43 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcgu...@neurotica.com>
To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] X-terminals!, was Re: Wyse thin client vs
sunray
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:-)
On 05/03/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Bender wrote:
Warehouse 13? Wait, no. That's in South Dakota. :)
On 5/3/13 9:45 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have a biggish building, housing a large collection, and am
building what will eventually be a public museum.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 13:33:48 -0400
From: John Stewart <john_stew...@carleton.ca>
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Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray
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On 05/03/2013 12:16 PM, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
Are there actually any alternatives to Sunray that allow a group of 50
or so thin clients share a single instance of Linux (on a powerful server)?
Not that I am aware of. Other thin clients seem to be more focused on
the Windows market.
We have done this for some time with Sunray. Admittedly Oracle pushes
the Virtualization solution of one VM per user which doesn't suit us,
and only supports Oracle Linux (we want Ubuntu).
If there was good support for Ubuntu we would likely have refurbished
our graduate computing lab earlier this year with Sun Rays instead of
desktop pc's. My personal desktop is a Sun Ray 2FS driven by a
Scientific Linux 5.8 server (repackaging of RHEL 5.8). I'm happy with
that except when the version of Firefox gets too far behind.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:03:21 -0700
From: Craig Bender <craig.ben...@oracle.com>
To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Cc: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] SRS 5.4 26D on Solaris 11.1
Message-ID: <9a5e0d4f-f452-488d-be55-d31ad4cbc...@oracle.com>
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What OS is this? Can you try disabling Mobile Sessions under system policy?
On May 2, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Blaster <blas...@556nato.com> wrote:
I found newer firmware, I'm running 4.3_146928-01_2011.06.03.14.41 now...
Here's my log, I don't see anything odd...When I enter user/pass now, I get the
Oracle logo and the circle. After a while I'll get a 24D ten the screen just
freezes.
May 2 23:49:41 gremlin utauthd: [ID 747161 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: CONNECT
IEEE802.080020fe24dd, pseudo.080020fe24dd, all connections allowed
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utauthd: [ID 118801 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: MTU =
1500
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utauthd: [ID 979488 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE:
SessionManager.getSessionManager: Initiate callback to utsessiond at
localhost:7007
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utauthd: [ID 233143 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE:
SessionManager.initiateCallback localhost:7010 established communication
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utdtsession: [ID 702911 user.info] Add
(14,pseudo.080020fe24dd,special)
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utauthd: [ID 673696 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE:
SESSION_OK pseudo.080020fe24dd
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] Setting xkb dflts,
xorg, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] newtLoadKbdMap():
layout 0 -> Success, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] Setting xkb dflts,
xorg, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:49:42 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] newtLoadKbdMap():
layout 33 -> Success, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 634092 user.notice] Error opening
catalog nscloginGUI
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [libpam]
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin last message repeated 1 time
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [pam_unix]
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin last message repeated 1 time
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [pam_smartcard]
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] Warning: Missing
charsets in String to FontSet conversion
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin last message repeated 2 times
May 2 23:49:43 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 118685 user.info]
pam_sunray_amgh::[DPY=14] AMGH_SUMMARY: token=pseudo.080020fe24dd,
username=*NONE*, AMGH_Done?=NO(Local Session), Details=AMGH is not configured.,
AMGH_Target=*NONE*
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin guloginGUI: [ID 118685 user.info]
pam_sunray_amgh::[DPY=14] AMGH_SUMMARY: token=pseudo.080020fe24dd,
username=cbr, AMGH_Done?=NO(Local Session), Details=AMGH is not configured.,
AMGH_Target=*NONE*
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] kill: 28707: no
such process
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] kill: 28708: no
such process
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utdtsession: [ID 702911 user.info] Delete
(14,pseudo.080020fe24dd)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(d83ac0)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(d83f00)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(dc8f10)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(dc9350)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(de8870)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(de8cb0)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 794400 user.info] SessionManager0 NOTICE:
EMPTY: ACTIVE session
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 935498 user.info] Terminator NOTICE:
DISCONNECT IEEE802.080020fe24dd, pseudo.080020fe24dd session terminated
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 226395 user.info] SessionManager0 NOTICE:
TERMINATE: ACTIVE session
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 581857 user.info] Terminator NOTICE:
DESTROY pseudo.080020fe24dd lifetime=36648
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 331791 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE:
whichServer auth.cbr:
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 232540 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: CLAIMED
by StartxlationSession.m8 NAME: mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd PARAMETERS:
{savedType=auth, terminalIPA=172.16.2.106, type=mobile,
fw=4.3_146928-01_2011.06.03.14.41,Boot:14444000000000000::::4444BST,
username=cbr, state=disconnected, cause=insert, doamgh=false, barrierLevel=430,
lockaction=disconnect, rawId=080020fe24dd, terminalCID=IEEE802.080020fe24dd,
MTU=1500, auth=false, tokenSeq=1, firstServer=ac100201, namespace=IEEE802,
keyTypes=dsa-sha1-x1,dsa-sha1, ddcconfig=0, currentMod=3,
clientRand=yxB77auFeyvc.s6bUK2PO7Mece2KI.24WB.x2jFb5AW,
id=IEEE802-080020fe24dd, realIP=ac10026a, startRes=1024x768, quicklogin=true,
useReal=true, event=insert, sn=080020fe24dd, savedId=cbr, rawType=pseudo,
clientKeyStatus=unconfirmed, hw=SunRayP3, initState=1, _=1}
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 526354 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: CONNECT
IEEE802.080020fe24dd, mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd, all connections allowed
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 118801 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: MTU =
1500
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utdtsession: [ID 702911 user.info] Add
(14,mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd,special)
May 2 23:50:18 gremlin utauthd: [ID 165483 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE:
SESSION_OK mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd
May 2 23:50:19 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] Setting xkb dflts,
xorg, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:50:19 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] newtLoadKbdMap():
layout 0 -> Success, sun_type6_usb, us
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin nscloginGUI: [ID 634092 user.notice] Error opening
catalog nscloginGUI
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin nscloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [libpam]
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin last message repeated 1 time
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin nscloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [pam_unix]
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin last message repeated 1 time
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin nscloginGUI: [ID 693915 user.notice] Error opening PAM
message catalog: [pam_smartcard]
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] Warning: Missing
charsets in String to FontSet conversion
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin last message repeated 2 times
May 2 23:50:20 gremlin nscloginGUI: [ID 118685 user.info]
pam_sunray_amgh::[DPY=14] AMGH_SUMMARY: token=mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd,
username=cbr, AMGH_Done?=NO(Local Session), Details=AMGH is not configured.,
AMGH_Target=*NONE*
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] kill: 29459: no
such process
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info] kill: 29460: no
such process
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utdtsession: [ID 702911 user.info] Delete
(14,mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(d83ac0)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(d83f00)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(dc8f10)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(dc9350)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(de8870)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utxinit@dpy14: [ID 702911 user.info]
DeleteInputDeviceRequest(de8cb0)
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 794400 user.info] SessionManager0 NOTICE:
EMPTY: ACTIVE session
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 108520 user.info] Terminator NOTICE:
DISCONNECT IEEE802.080020fe24dd, mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd session terminated
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 226395 user.info] SessionManager0 NOTICE:
TERMINATE: ACTIVE session
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 827061 user.info] Terminator NOTICE:
DESTROY mobile.IEEE802-080020fe24dd lifetime=7122
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 736070 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: CLAIMED
by StartSession.m9 NAME: auth.cbr PARAMETERS: {savedType=auth,
terminalIPA=172.16.2.106, type=auth,
fw=4.3_146928-01_2011.06.03.14.41,Boot:14444000000000000::::4444BST,
username=cbr, state=disconnected, cause=insert, doamgh=false, barrierLevel=430,
lockaction=disconnect, rawId=080020fe24dd, terminalCID=IEEE802.080020fe24dd,
MTU=1500, auth=true:login, tokenSeq=1, firstServer=ac100201, namespace=IEEE802,
keyTypes=dsa-sha1-x1,dsa-sha1, ddcconfig=0, currentMod=8,
clientRand=yxB77auFeyvc.s6bUK2PO7Mece2KI.24WB.x2jFb5AW, id=cbr,
realIP=ac10026a, startRes=1024x768, quicklogin=true, useReal=true,
event=insert, sn=080020fe24dd, savedId=cbr, rawType=pseudo,
clientKeyStatus=unconfirmed, hw=SunRayP3, initState=1, _=1}
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 898436 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: CONNECT
IEEE802.080020fe24dd, auth.cbr, all connections allowed
May 2 23:50:25 gremlin utauthd: [ID 118801 user.info] Worker7 NOTICE: MTU =
1500
May 2 23:50:26 gremlin utdtsession: [ID 702911 user.info] Add
(14,auth.cbr,normal)
May 2 23:51:20 gremlin in.dhcpd[1961]: [ID 943880 daemon.info] Database write
unnecessary for DHCP client: 01002637BD5A09, 172.16.2.69
May 2 23:51:20 gremlin in.dhcpd[1961]: [ID 130413 daemon.info] Client:
01002637BD5A09 maps to IP: 172.16.2.69
On 5/2/2013 7:24 PM, Blaster wrote:
hello,
CoronaP3
4_2_77_2009.10.19.17.01
2009? Guessing pretty old :) How come SRS5.0 or the Operating system 11.1
doesn't seem to have the latest available firmware? Or are these no longer
supported?
I will dig around and see if I can find something newer...
On 5/2/2013 1:41 AM, Kent Peacock wrote:
What firmware is running on the 150s?
Kent
Sent from my iPad
On May 1, 2013, at 22:32, Blaster <blas...@556nato.com> wrote:
hello,
I'm running Sun Ray Software 5.4.0.0.44 Sun Ray Operating Software 11.1.1.0.06
on Solaris X64 11.1 using SunRay 150 terminals.
Are these terminals still usable? I see there is no longer any firmware for
them in the 11.1.1.0.06 software.
My problem is, the 150 boots up, I get a login window. I enter a userid then a
password, then I just get an hour glass with a 26D error box that never goes
away.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
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