From: dan_A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A couple of Jaguar questions Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:52:27 -0700 (PDT) To: supermacslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi All--
I've been running 10.2.6 without any problems and am interested in upgrading to 10.2.8. Perhaps I wasn't paying attention recently when this was being discussed--is there a problem associated with doing this as against having gone from 10.1, incrementaly throught to 10.2.6, without any problems? Not knowing the answer, I made a copy of the entire drive containing 10.2.6 with all the apps etc that I have accumulated and put it onto an 80 GB ATA drive. The system is not blessed, the sys folder is blank. So my second question is how to activate it. I tried dragging it to the desktop when I was in sys 9 but no results,. Is there a utility that will activate it. It doesn't show up in Disk Warrior either. I suppose that I could try to install Jag from the installation CDs, directly into the 80 GB. Any suggestions?
Here's what I'm working with:
Umax S900
Processor: Sonnet Crescendo G4/450
OS: 10.2.6 with 9.2.1 and using 9.2.2 for "classic"
RAM: 1 GB
PCI- slot A1: ATI Mac Edition Radeon 7000 running 21" Mitsubishi DiamondPro 91TXM
PCI- slot B1: IMS, tt 128mb8--running 14" Apple Multisync
PCI- slot C1: ATTO, ExpressPCI, Device ID: ox1020=4128, revision 2-not seen under OS X
PCI- slot D1: Empty
PCI- slot E1: Keyspan USB controller card
PCI- slot F1: ACARD AHARD PCI Ultra ATA/66 PCI card
SCSI Bus: 0,ID# 3: CD-ROM Matshita with Apple ROM, in place of OEM CD
SCSI Bus: 0,ID# 5: Internal ZIP (Operational ability, iffy)
SCSI Bus: 1,ID# 2: CDRW8424S Yamaha external
SCSI Bus: 1,ID# 3: Agfa DuoScan-doesn't run under OS X.
SCSI Bus: 1,ID# 4: MicronetUltra Dock, with/4GB inserted,other removables owned.*
SCSI Bus: 2,ID# 0: Quantum 2GB w/ 2 partitions.
SCSI Bus: 2,ID# 4: Quantum Atlas-7500, 18GB external on Fast SCSI (ATTO card) ng with X
SCSI Bus: 3, ID# 0 WD Caviar ATA 80GB drive with 4 partions
USB devices: microsoft optical mouse, Epson 1270 Printer, Canon Digital Elf Wacom Intuos 2 tablet.
Networked via router: HP LaserJet 4M printer (available to entire network (4 machines).
Modems: Cable Modem and GV dial-up (serial) for faxing. Works out only, for faxing in X
Sound: Advent speaker system
Primary use: Creation/manipulation of large graphics, Photoshop, AI, Express.
*SCSI Bus: 1,ID# 4: MicronetUltra Dock, with/4GB is startup using OS X.
All disk drives have been reformatted with Apple Utility from OS 9.1
dan_A
Boy that is one loaded down machine. What a nice setup! To answer where I've been...well I've been working long hours. So while I've been reading posts I've been too tired to post to any long winded questions ;-) Afraid of making a fool of myself with mistakes as sometimes happens when I'm really tired ;-).
If you've really did all those OS updates with no issues or problems you are truly one lucky guy. So your either running on borrowed time and due for a disaster or don't have a thing to worry about so go for it. I've no idea which is the case for you. What I did say about Mac OS upgrades in general was. People who know more then I have said that downloading the combo Mac OSX upgrades and installing them is generally more trouble free on all machines compared to using the Apple software update. Not everyone has problems but for those that do it usually is people who used the software update. The first edition of 10.2.8 was defective for more people then any other of the OSX updates but was pulled quickly. The second edition did cause the black screen for many people most reported users with the problem were running the beige G3.(the only Apple supported old world machine. No longer supported in Panther) I had problems with it even though I used the downloaded combo upgrade. I first got the black screen of death which usual methods fixed . It still wouldn't boot correctly got stuck at the blue screen but never moved to the next finder screen. Drove me nuts. Disk Warrior no joy and same for Norton Disk Dr. I had nearly decided I might have to start over or try to down grade to 10.2.6. As a last ditch effort i installed 10.2.8 a second time right ovr the top of the broken OS. It booted and opened the finder but was still a bit odd. Opened disk utilities and ran fix permissions that did it! 2 weeks plus and all is still fine. Was it worth the effort? Not really, I see no differences nor changes in any way that things work. 10.2.6 worked great. So if I had it to do over it would have been easier to leave well enough along. But i never do that. I already have my copy of Panther waiting for Ryan to make it usable ;-) I hate to mention it as it likely wasn't the cause but my 17 inch Apple Studio Display monitor died soon after the black screen problem. Oddly 10.2.8 had reset the monitor settings and was showing available HZ settings way off the chart that if used could fry my monitor as 85 hz is it's top . In fact I may have gotten the black screen because of this. I'll likely never know and it is 4 1/2 years old. However I just checked and it will let me choice Hz settings as high as 200 Hz when my older monitor only goes to 120Mz setting . It seems to be showing all the settings the Radeon 7000 can do rather then what should be used with the current monitor as it used to. I don't remember this issues with 10.2.6 and older but not sure. So maybe it did fry my wonderful monitor which I will have to do without as Apple wants $450.00 to fix it and even though I live in a city the old man who fixes them for reasonable prices has retired . No number of phone calls or computer ads has found someone else to repair it yet. It's way to heavy to ship for repairs 50 lbs plus packing etc.
The reason the copied OSX doesn't boot nor show up in OSX. OSX like all unix can not be copied like Mac OS 9 and older. It is full of invisible files which don't get copied and alsounix depends on finding files in certain places. If they are moved or out of order it can't always find them. Apple has fixed that a bit compared to most other Unix versions but it is still a major change from Classic Mac. So there is no way to bless the system folder nor fix it so it will boot. You can use that method to save apps and files but not system files. The good news there is a fix for this issue but you can't use the copied files you have but have to start over with a new copy done correctly which saves and moves files correctly and also includes the invisible files.
"Carbon Copy Cloner" to the rescue! available from:
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
and it's donation shareware. Free or send a donation if you like it.
Well I tried to answer your questions but got a bit long winded. later Will S
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