Hi Alan,

I'm watching this thread due to my recent experience with not getting
sufficient power to support a new external (bus powered) firewire and usb
laptop drive enclosure.

If you recall, I was having troubles because the bus power wouldn't even
light up the drive using firewire and a file transfer would stall when using
usb.   Of course there were variables depending on which port I used, which
I'll get to.

The caveat is, I had a short in my system a while back which created my
problems.  And it appears my Firewire pci card is still not 100% because
like I said it won't even light up the drive.  But it will run my large
external powered dvd/ram drive just fine.  But if I plug the mini enclosure
into the back of the external firewire DVD/RAM Drive, still no juice.  Thing
is, I don't know if my card is 'signaling' the dvd firewire enclosure to not
provide sufficient juice, or if they generally don't provide sufficient bus
power.  So no help there.

As for using my usb port, even with a brand new card, a file transfer would
just stall, so I know I still had something wrong.  I tried plugging it into
my usb powered hub and same results.  I went direct to the card trying both
the internal and external ports, no change.  My card even has the added
molex power plug.  There just wasn't enough juice through the card.  I'm not
certain of the exact voltage drain for my mini enclosure but it also uses a
5 volt adapter.  

So even with a brand new USB 2 card, I still couldn't push the mini drive.
Apparently my stock UMAX power supply is providing enough power overall but
still my firewire wouldn't even light up the drive.  Still my pci cards were
not getting enough power.  So instead of trying to isolate the deeper
problem which could have been very difficult, I simply replaced my
motherboard.  

Now my USB2 card provides plenty of power to push the drive without
stalling.  But my externally powered USB hub won't.  Go figure.  But the hub
does provide enough power to import pics from my Fuji 2160, although that
does run by a battery when transferring photos so it may be a moot point.
As for the firewire card, I believe it is still somewhat damaged cause it's
still giving no power to the mini, but it does provide signal.  So, I've got
my eye on a new pci firewire card.  Anyway, clearly I did have something
shorted in my motherboard cause now usb provides power just fine.  Not sure
why the usb hub won't?

What does all this mean to your circumstance?  Heck, I don't know. :)  I
guess it's more food for thought and to give an idea of different factors
you may face (hope not).  But if you are going to be buying a USB or
firewire card, I would get one that has the added molex power provision.
Keep in mind that these 4+ port cards with one internal can trick you up.
All the ones I have seen so far have a handicap in that 'either' you want to
power the internal port or one of the external ports.  On the card are also
jumpers so you have to remember which you have it set to.

Hope this helps. 

Dave


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