Augustine Leudar wrote:
Spatial audio is as doused snakeoil as the hifi world.
I find this view a bit one-sided. At least this should not be related to
our discussion...
Sound localisation
is not a purely subjective affair -
I didn't claim this.
have there been any listening tests
which demosntrate binaural rendering is capable of creating anything like
headphone spatialisation over two stereo loudspeakers ?
I am pretty sure that the kunstkopf proponents did some scientific
listening tests.
Anyway -- perhaps one of these "modern" inaural recording are available
online and we can judge for ourselves.
There are plenty of CDs around, so you will find some content on YT,
Spotify etc.
I have neve rnotices any problems rendering ambisonics or vbap with dozens
of channels - or even WFS . What do you mean by "you cant record audio
objects" ?
What means "rendering vbap" at all? Vbap is "just" (3D) stereophonic
panning.
You could pan some spot mikes or audio objects into some loudspeaker
layout. But you have to pan "something".
http://legacy.spa.aalto.fi/research/cat/vbap/
What do you mean by "you cant record audio
objects" ?
I was referring to music and scene/ambiance recording.
Of course you can record some audio objects. This is not a complete
recording yet... I admit that the citing above doesn't make a lot of
sense, but in its context there was one:
Stefan I am curious what are the advantages you see of
ambisonics for 360 audio over say vbap aside from upmix downmix
capability ?
1. You can't record audio objects. 2. You could reduce computational
complexity?
I must again ask: What does "vbap" actually means in your question.
Because it is not clear what should be "compared" at all. For me, VBAP
(= panning technique) is always used in some specific context. Is this
context 7.1 or Dolby Atmos or DTS:X or...? You see what I mean, hopefully.
Good night
Stefan
On 9 January 2017 at 01:05, Stefan Schreiber <st...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Augustine Leudar wrote:
<> modern binaural recordings I've heard on speakers did not give excellent
results they gave terrible results, aside from the fact the transfer
functions are messed up by room reflections and cross talk
Fair enough. But it seems that opinions about this seem to be vastly
different. (The quality of binaural recordings represented via loudspeakers
is judged to be about between "terrible" and "excellent", depending on
listener....)
it doesn't even
work perfectly on headphones due to differences in individual hrtfs.
No, quite obviously not "perfectly". Listening results will depend a lot
on the hrtf mismatch between dummy head and (individual) listener. And the
perspective is fixed - you can't rotate some dummy head recording!
Transaural is supposed to be the the two speaker equivelant of binaural for
speakers I know spat were due to release a new version that worked -
anyone
heard it ?
Ambiophonics could also be used - as some already established form of
X-talk cancellation.
Stefan I am curious what are the advantages you see of
ambisonics for 360 audio over say vbap aside from upmix downmix
capability ?
1. You can't record audio objects. 2. You could reduce computational
complexity?
You didn't specify any application details. (So I assume you referred to
music recordings or VR.)
Best regards,
Stefan
On Sunday, 8 January 2017, Bob Burton <b...@audiorents.com> wrote:
1997 "The year had started and finished with Mike (Oldfield)
collaborating
with David Bedford. To finish the year Mike played on the title track on
Bedford's 5th studio LPInstructions for Angels (V2090). Surprisingly, the
track on which Mike appeared was recorded live at Worcester Cathedral on
the Rolling Stones mobile recording studio. This track is quite
breathtaking, with Bedford playing the cathedrals organ and Mike playing
guitar, the natural acoustics of the cathedral make it sound quite
awesome.
Finally, the complete LP was mixed at Mike's Througham studio in BBC
Matrix
H Quad which was also stereo compatible."
https://youtu.be/hRIadP2XMgc
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