You must mix it up in 50 gallon barrels? I can't seem to find any here for a reasonable price. Also you mentioned in another email that you get about 85% back that you put in. I generally get 100% bio-diesel for the oil that I process. I assumed this was just due to the reaction of the methoxide. I always seem to get about as much glycerin as methoxide that I put in it. Am I missing something? Thanks --Bryan
----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good investment! > My oil comes from local Chinese restaurants. I mix 35 gallons at a time. no > automation. > > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Fullerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good > investment! > > > > If you invest in an electronic meter you could have used that money to buy > > almost 400 gallons of regular diesel(G) Well at least the ones I looked at > > once.. With methanol prices what they are it cost me nearly $1.30 a gallon > > just to make this stuff. 400 gallons is allot.. have you managed to > automate > > this process at all? Also what kind of oil are you using? My brother got > me > > some stuff once from taco bell. That stuff always made glumpy jelly like > > mess. but the stuff he has gotten me from Albertsons works great. I have > > about 60 gallons that I need to start processing. I have to find my > numbers > > I used for 10 gallon batches..(G). > > > > ---Bryan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@egroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 5:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good > > investment! > > > > > > > about 400 gallons this year. been using litmus paper, but i really > should > > > invest in an electronic meter. > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Spence > > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > > we borrow it from our children. > > > -- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bryan Fullerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <biofuel@egroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good > > > investment! > > > > > > > > > > How much of it have you made? I just made a bit under a liter out of > > > > shortening because I wanted the can it was in for my stove > experiments. > > > > (G).. I have made a few tankfulls for my van but I have had to guess > > more > > > > then I would like due to the fact that I can't seem to find a reliable > > > > (inexpensive) way to measure the pH of oil... soil monitors do not > work. > > .. > > > > > > > > ---Bryan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <biofuel@egroups.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 6:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good > > > > investment! > > > > > > > > > > > > > any questions you have about biodiesel should be answered by > > > > > http://www.webconx.com/ > > > > > > > > > > if not, just ask me, i'll be happy to answer. > > > > > -- > > > > > Steve Spence > > > > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > > > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > > > > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > > > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > > > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > > > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > > > > we borrow it from our children. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <biofuel@egroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 3:13 PM > > > > > Subject: [biofuel] Interesting site...biodiesel must be a good > > > investment! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've put both stoves, the Backpack stove and the > > > > > > > Hobo stove, on our website, linked from here: > > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/edu.html#stove > > > > > > > > > > > > This is neat, I never knew this could be done. Has anyone seen > the > > > > > > VW bus on Ripley's Believe it or not? Said the guys used veggie > oil > > > > > > to power it. It showed how they did extensive modifications to > the > > > > > > stock gasoline engine, but I am guessing this was to convert it to > > > > > > diesel cycle to run the veggie oil as biodiesel. Also showed them > > > > > > scurryin' round to get the oil, and how they converted it, but the > > > > > > conversion explanation was too brief to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am actually going to try this...following the intructions exact. > > > > > > What happens if the solution of sodium methoxide is not stirred? > > > > > > > > > > > > On with the O3 stuff. It remains fact that humans cannot breathe > > > > > > much ozone or their lungs will turn into jelly, from the > oxidation. > > > > > > The same could be true when talking about diesel fuel. Even if it > > > > > > oxidizes it on contact with out heat, it is still valid because > the > > > > > > diesel is injected after top dead center, so the diesel cycle is > > > > > > enhanced! Since O3 takes up less space (speaking of volumetric > air > > > > > > intake) than O2, more air can be used thus reducing diesel > > > > > > consumption. Less soot too. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not know what we should do about the sulphur in the > > > > > > petrodiesel fuels. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to build an O3 converter...use two or more automotive > > coils > > > > > > connected to a signal generator through an amplifier. Input > voltage > > > > > > into the coils is 12VAC, and output is around 100 000 VAC, > converted > > > > > > to full wave DC with a bridge rectifier. This intense voltage and > > > > > > fequency is fed into a nichrome mesh grid in the intake plenum. > > > > > > Layers can be used for a more effective ionization of the air. > The > > > > > > layers would alternate, one positive from the coils and the next > > > > > > negative grounded to the car, pos., neg., and so on. Spacing, > > > > > > ideally, would be half the maximum length of the arc..eg, if the > arc > > > > > > is 1" max, then space mesh layers 1/2" apart. Logical stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Putting one of these same setups in the exhaust would capacitate a > > > > > > near zero-emission diesel engine, as the plasme would eliminate > > > > > > hydrocarbons and soot with air injection on the side. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any feedback on this? Please do speak... > > > > > > > > > > > > JI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you have a look at the Kelly Kettle, by the way? > > > > > > > http://www.y2k-millennium-supplies.co.uk/wood_burn/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes it was his Stove. Man is his drawing hard to follow. I did > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > >something from his drawing though.. He preheats the intake air. > > > > > > Air goes > > > > > > > >down between two hot cans(at least one really hot can) where it > > is > > > > > > > >preheated. This way it is already hot when it hits the wood. > Made > > > > > > a big > > > > > > > >difference for me. Now if I can just get that gas air mixture > > > > > > thing right.. > > > > > > > >Seems like it needs more air then I can get to it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---Bryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also liked his two hot cans scheme - that bit at least is > clear! > > > > > > > Haven't tried it yet though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Reed says this: "Natural convection is a great free > blessing - > > > > > > > but doesn't cut it in cooking. If you want to burn efficiently, > > > > > > burn > > > > > > > intensely for more rapid heating (and thus fuel saving), burn > > > > > > > cleanly, you need forced convection." His Turbo stove has a > > powered > > > > > > > fan. "You should see the little blue jets that a pressure of 0.1 > > > > > > inch > > > > > > > water column generates!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Addison > > > > > > > Journey to Forever > > > > > > > Handmade Projects > > > > > > > Tokyo > > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Backpack stove > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's how to make a camping stove for your backpack that > > > > > > weighs just > > > > > > > > > about nothing and takes up hardly any space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These little stoves are great -- they're fun to make and it > > only > > > > > > > > > takes a few minutes. Not just a toy -- they really work! > They > > > > > > put out > > > > > > > > > a hot ring of blue flame like a gas stove and hold enough > fuel > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > about 15 minutes -- so if you're cooking something that > takes > > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > than that, better make two so you can alternate them to keep > > up > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > heat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All you need is a couple of aluminium soft-drink cans, some > > > > > > perlite, > > > > > > > > > a wire coat-hanger and a bottle of denatured alcohol > (spirits, > > > > > > > > > usually dyed purple). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inventor: "Unknown". Construction directions by LaMar Kirby: > > > > > > > > > http://www.uvol.com/scouts/stove/stove.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See also: > > > > > > > > > The Hobo Stove > > > > > > > > > > http://forums.cosmoaccess.net/forum/survival/prep/hobostv.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> Dial 1-800-555-TELL -- You Won't Believe Your Ears! 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