apparently, there is no science to back up the claims of the promoters of this "technology".
Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sanz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / <snipping > Magnets? I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, but... aparently nothing happens. It's only my opinion. David Imanes? Uso imanes permanentes en las l’neas de fuel y en la toma de admisi—n de mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. Es s—lo mi opini—n. David Dick Carlstein wrote: >> From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money >> >> I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel >> mileage for years.... Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might > > increase the > >> effectiveness of foggers? > > > *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more > urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking > out novak's baby was easy. > > *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, just > like the fogger. > > *some questions <snipped> into the article : > >> ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with >> the south-seeking poles directed inward.... > > > *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other > method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have > forgotten ? > >> The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic >> magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and >> four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar >> strong magnet will work.... > > > *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough > for this application ? > >> Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to > > believe... > > *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' > works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this > lends credibility to this gent's thesis. > >> You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... > > > *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go on. > any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all of > these odds and ends, i find... > >> ...Natural Energy Works has been selling >> these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 > > plus > >> $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for > > $12.95. > >> The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or > > furnace, > >> when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or >> combustion chambers. > > > *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on > why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? > > *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer the > better', or will 'close enough' do ? > > *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs on > fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. > > *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit of > meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at > some significant savings here. i've got the fogger down pat, and am halfway > there with the h generator, so all i need to do now is mix some meth into > the gas, grab some magnets and run... > > *life is only bearable when dreams egg you on, methinks... > > A DAILY GAME > > My death and I play daily games, > whence she reminds me of herself, > whilst I keep focused on my elusive quest, > paying but scant attention to her ways, > too busy with dreams I need to claim, > before time comes for our embrace. > > *thanks for helping me enlarge the scope of my dreaming, warren. > > *and pls excuse myn OT jingle... > >> From: "Paul Gobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: water + alky / dino-svo + alky / auto tranny + svo / biod + > > svo > >> Apace Technology in Australia developed an emulsifier that enabled the >> mixing of ethanol with dinodiesel. They were active some 20 years ago but >> don't know where it went from there. > > > *thanks for the info paul. i have it that benzene will allow a certain > ammount of water contaminated ethanol to mix with gasoline, but have yet to > try this. what about meth/dyno ? the asuncion, paraguay municipality at one > point was going to make 10% anhidrous (absolute) ethanol content mandatory > in dyno used in buses and such, but the project flopped due to truck/bus > owner's resistance. maybe the old rubber controversy...?? > > (bobeda, any chance you could stop lurking and explain the eth/dyno program > in asuncion ?)(:-D) > >> From: Jeremy Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money > >> I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have >> extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the >> limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the >> water a whole lot more soft.... > > > *yes, i can corroborate that. we also have hard water in colonia, uruguay, > where i farm trees and do research on alternative energies, and a neighbour > installed a unit. it works fine except it requires periodic cleaning of the > gunk the magnets somehow retain. my neighbour being a bit comfy gave up > after half a dozen cleanings. will check back with him and post a full > description in a fortnight or so. > ----------------------------------------- > *last but not least, how can we incentivate <snipping> amongst honorable > list members ? it is a drag to read a two line answer, or comment, and find > all of the original thread(s) attached, requiring tedious, wasteful > scrolling. here we're discussing fuel alternatives, and savings, and energy > in general, and we're unable to be thrifty and edit our answers. time spent > scrolling is a waste of everybody's time, and i don't think we have the > right to subject people to this. so what say we do a bit of <snipping> and > save everybody some time ? huh ? > cheers, dick. > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! 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