Hi Dick and all I pretty much agree with you, Dick, with the exception that while John Li's posting was interesting, I don't think it was very useful. I don't want to be discouraging, but subjective impressions such as "smoother and quieter" don't really add much, and don't impress the sceptics. Same goes for "It didn't work for me" - what exactly didn't work? There are a lot of variables. Meanwhile people are getting annoyed, and it's bordering on a flame war.
Much of this thread is a pointless argument between "true believers" (alleged to be incapable of rational thought) and "sceptics" (said to have closed minds). Well, there should be room for both dreamers (dreaming is not necessarily idle or foolish) and sceptics (too much scepticism can be just as foolish as too much dreaming), and God forbid the one without the other. But if they can't meet halfway, and it seems they can't, then tempers will get frayed and nothing achieved. It's up to those making claims for magnets improving performance-efficiency to prove it, not up to those who disagree to disprove it. We haven't had much that's substantive. Impressions, yes. Sam's results were second-hand, and all of us might not have spare engines and $10,000 in test equipment to throw at the problem. Dick's questions below for John Li are a good starting point. Harry's comment is relevant: "Whatever method they use, any of us should be able to duplicate the results by following the procedure as reported, all else is BS." So, anyone who wants to experiment with magnets, please go ahead. But let's not have any further discussion on this subject unless it's substantive, not just subjective, and provides some results that are replicable. It can be difficult to elimate subjective factors. For instance, when doing mileage tests it's very easy to be much more feather-footed than usual, without realising it. If we can apply some rigour to this question we'll have done something useful, whatever the results. If not, it'll just be divisive. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner >i fully realize that this is basically a discussion forum, not a posting >board for eccentric experiments. still, i find that one way of defending a >position in a discussion is by describing the results obtained in actual >trials. > >i find that there are theorists who will either support or reject a given >idea without ever having tried it out. > >and then i find that there are those who will try the idea out, and find it >did work for them, or that it did not. > >the first posture is an invitation to extended exchange of arguments, the >participants choosing feeling over facts. > >the second posture promotes feedback, and further testing, either for or >against. this attitude chooses facts over feelings. > >of all the postings on magnets, and fuel economy, the only posting i've read >so far that is pretty much factual is john li's. it's missing some >information, which i will request in the post itself, but otherwise is >straightforward and to the point. it makes no assumptions, just shares >results. > >i think this sort of attitude is of greater benefit to all of us, than >sterile discussions based on feelings. > >thanks john for trying it out, and sharing with us. more in your post. > > From: "John Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re: magnets in fuel line. > >I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother >running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel >tank. Here is how I did it. > >I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if >you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the >fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an >instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really >smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I >put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber >hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, >thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But >the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when >using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one >on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still >can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. > >*questions john : > >1) type magnet ? (ie ceramic, etc) >2) origin of same (model, etc. if available) >3) i take it your fuel line feeds all injectors ? i am not familiar with >your engine's layout. >4) how far from the nearest injector did you place the magnet ? >5) did you do a polarity test, if yes, what pole was in contact with the >fuel line >6) when you put the other magnet on, did you again do a polarity test, or at >least check to see if the magnets attracted or repelled each other ? >7) i assume the magnets did not touch ? >8) notice any difference when starting the engine ? >9) notice any difference in the idling speed ? (i personally don't think >this is significant. all engines i've worked on run rich at idle) >10) was more low end torque available ? > >*thanks for the time john. off to the farm, will eagerly read the postings >come next saturday. > >*regards to all, dick. > >*ps : please notice my elegant, time saving, considerate ><SNIPPING>.....................(:-D) Take a bow, Dick! :-) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
