Murdoch wrote: >On Sun, 26 May 2002 12:10:09 +0900, you wrote: > > >Hello Murdoch > >>I saw no info on this at journeyforever.org, > > > >Why would you expect to see info on it there? > >Because I saw a collection of news stories which seem give some news >stories of where major diesel issues or advances appear, though on >second-glance those stories don't appear much to follow individual >politicians and their taking-up of the issue. > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html
No, that's not the purpose of that page at all, it's called "Do diesels have a future?" It's largely but not entirely US-oriented, but that's because it's pretty much only in the US that the question exists. > >That's hardly its > >focus. First, it's not a newsfeed, though there are newsfeeds on the > >main Biofuels page, and more newsfeeds at Tim Castleman's site at > >fuelandfiber.com. Second, we're a Third World rural development > >project, doings in the industrialised countries are peripheral to us. > >That's fine, I won't treat it as a news feed or as having a primary >interest in industrialized country stuff. It simply happens to be the >only biofuel page I've been to in the last few months. > > >>but I wonder where this > >>all stands now. He was making some really cutting remarks about Bush > >>Administration Energy policies, and then a lot of his momentum was > >>stopped by the diesel issue. > > > >We've discussed this here before, quite a few times. At various times > >list members have attempted to counter the anti-diesel, > >anti-biodiesel stance of the likes of Club Sierra, NRDC, EDF etc. I > >think we may have had some success in specific cases, but they keep > >on doing it. > >I think countering those efforts is relevant and interesting, and your >discussion of past discussions seems interesting, but my question was >meant to be much narrower than that. I was simply asking the status >of Kerry's efforts and how he was being treated by those groups on >that issue. I was not asking the status of the anti-diesel-bashing >effort in general. The two are the same issue, and the status of the anti-diesel-bashing effort is exactly nowhere, as we can see. Dealing piecemeal with the immediate event is not going to achieve much, essentially leaving someone in Kerry's position floundering without a comeback and no support. And so a promising initiative that perhaps could have achieved much gets nowhere, and for really bad reasons. If Kerry's counting votes with an eye to the White House, he'll be unlikely to try that again. These people who oppose such initiatives take public money, a very great deal of it, but they do the public a disservice. Kerry's case was just such a disservice, perhaps rather a grave one. Their argument is misguided and has no solid foundation, but they're loud, and they're the talking heads the media go to for comment and background. Why don't you Americans do something about it? We've started it here and identified what needs to be done. It's in the archives. As I said I have the the groundwork on my hard disk, good info, contacts, I'll forward it all to anyone who asks. It's against our interests at Handmade Projects to put the required time into it, but if someone else prepares a good set of resources we'd be happy to host it at Journey to Forever, which is a very findable site. Other good sites would do the same I'm sure. Similarly, Ryan Walker of Environmental Media Services (EMS), www.ems.org, is a member of this list and is willing to help, if he's given the resources. It could make a difference. There are many possibilities. Some industry people have said they're prepared to collaborate. DieselNet, International, Green Diesel Technology, GM, would certainly be worth approaching. We could provide a lot of resources and a central webspace to work. It needn't be just one person's burden, a team of list members and others could collaborate on it, contributing to a central resource as they may. But it would need a coordinator, and that's not me. So, once again, any takers? Is anyone interested enough to discuss it? >By the way, largely because of yahoo's email switching-around, I was >not monitoring this for some of the times you seem to be referencing. Not sure what you mean by Yahoo's email switching around. I'm no fan of Yahoo at all, but their delivery has been consistent. There was some difficulty at first (well before these discussions) with changing passwords to Yahoo to access the web board, but you get individual emails, not the web interface, so I'm not sure what the problem could have been. Regards Keith ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
