Hakan...and anyone else who reads this, Please accept my most humble apologies for the emphasis and inflection I am about to put on this.
But your off list contact Rod Stalenberg is full of more shit than a Christmas Turkey. While it's true that all oils, fossil or vegetable, have a propensity to suffocate anything they contact, it is not true that the longevity of consequences (topical vs systemic) nor the degree are the same. Veg oil has a shorter degradation time, as does biodiesel, relative to fossil oil and petro-diesel. Veg oil and it's decomposition elements (in general) are not anywhere near as toxic as fossil oil. No benzene rings. No polyaromatics. Conduct for yourself a simple test....Just saddle up to Mr. Stalenberg, drop as much as you want....5, 10, maybe even 15 drops of Pennzoil's best in one pint of drinking water and the same volume of veg oil in another pint. Hand him Pennzoil's best and toast to his health. While he'll assess that you are surely crazy, take a moment to refresh his memory on how he told you prior that both were equally as toxic. Usually people like Mr. Stalenberg are washed up and ex-editors from small town newspapers who have been put into PR positions, often due to their inability to discern truth from fiction or their ability to confuse the two. People such as he deserve not much more than a long walk on a short plank. Hell. Forget the walk. Just kick him in the ass and let the sharks feed. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Veg oils as chainsaw bar oil > > Todd, > > > Fits well with my experiences and therefore I said before, > > "I also use the manual feed button on the chain saw > frequently to give it some extra cooling and lubrication. Do clean the > blade carefully directly after use, which you always should do anyway. > Veg oil do create some minor cleaning problems, if you let it cool down." > > Nice to have a better explanation, because the gum residue get mixed with > saw dust. It is no problem normally, but if I am lazy and do not clean > directly after use. I have to work a bit more before I use the saw the > next time. > > Maybe you can help me Todd, I got some responses and statements from > Rod Stalenberg. It turned out that he works for BP. I responded and it took > some time before I discovered that it was not a list discussion. He claimed > that it was no difference between veg oil and fossil oil and that both was > comparable in poisoning the nature. Since I am not an authority in > chemistry, I asked the list to comment my discussion, but have not yet > got any answers. > > Personally I belive that this is not the case, all I read and heard, points to > the opposite. I am once more copying our discussion at the end of this > mail and would be grateful for comments. > > Hakan > > > At 09:13 PM 9/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >You'll want to make sure that the oil has been degummed (lecithin > >gums removed). That's a tuff one to insure even with SVO. Even > >most of the distributors of fryer oils to restaurants are > >clueless as to whether or not the oil is degummed. The stuff is > >murder on deep fat fryers. > > > >Lecithin, while in light doses can behave as a mold release or > >lubricant, tends to congeal at moderate to high temperatures and > >build up over time. Most people have seen the end result of > >lecithin exposed to higher temps on their kitchen bakeware. The > >same would occur on a chainsaw bar in the areas most prone to > >heat buildup. Doesn't mean the oil can't be used, just that the > >bar will have to be monitored tacky gum residue and possibly > >cleaned with greater frequency. > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > > > >Sorry Rod, > > > >I was told that used motor oil had Led in it and since chain saw > >oil is a product from used motor oil, I assumed that this was the > >case. I also thought that this was one of the expressed advantages > >with chain saw oil, you remember the sticky thing. I am sorry if I > >went wrong on this point. > > > >You did not really explain this about "It will still poison the earth". > >At least not in a way that I understood. I thought that vegetable oil > >did disperse more naturally and easy than fossil oil. > > > >For paint, I thought that Titan is the most used mix, much for coloring > >reasons. We are favoring paint containing aluminium instead of > >Titan, mainly because of the large difference in emission factor and > >the 15-20% energy saving it can give in buildings. Not to talk about > >a higher sense of comfort. > > > >Hakan > > > >At 09:59 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >>Oils in the environment must diperse to dissapear . > >> > >>No oil is healthy for ingestion but if you must use oil for cooking and > >>lubricating food stuffs ,olive oil is used because of higher polyunsaturates > >>. Mineral oil is highly saturated and not very healthy to intake . > >> > >> > >>There is no lead in any oils . These were added to paints and fuels only . > >> > >>Regards Rod 0297954870 > >>d:^) > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Monday, 2 September 2002 9:45 AM > >>To: Stalenberg, Rod > >>Subject: RE: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > >> > >> > >> > >>Rod. > >> > >>Very interesting statement, if it is correct. Then many arguments for > >>vegetable oils will fall apart. I probably eat an equivalent concentration, > >>of > >>what is spread on the ground by cutting a tree, with my salad. I am using > >>olive oil and they say that it is good for my heart. I never tried motor > >>oil, > >>but if it is the same, at least it would be interesting to try. > >> > >>Then it is remarkable that Husqvarna and other manufacturers of chain saws > >>recommend use of vegetable oil in Sweden. They have done so for the last > >>15+ years. If you look at a field of rape or sunflowers, you are saying > >>that it > >>is poisoning the world, I did not know that so please expand on this. The > >>same > >>can be said about many sources of vegetable oil. I know that Pine trees is > >>killing under vegetation with turpentine, but I did not know or have the > >>experience > >>that oil plants or trees did something similar. Since the concentration is > >>much > >>higher in the seed than the spill from a chain saw. > >> > >>One of the most serious poisoning from fossil oils, used for lubrication, > >>is the > >>content of Led. I did not know that we had the same problem with vegetable > >>oils. > >>It is removed from newer gasoline, but it needed newer engines. For > >>lubrication > >>oils it is still there, if I am not misinformed. Led is one of the most > >>poisoning > >>metals we have. > >> > >>I am not a great expert on this issues. Although I did well in physics and > >>biology, > >>chemistry was never a strong point. I am trying to learn from this board, > >>where > >>I find many that are good on chemistry. I have a good friend who not only > >>are > >>chemist but also is a specialist on nutrition. He is running a Spanish web > >>site on > >>this issues ( http://chemedia.com ) and I will ask him too. > >> > >>Looking forward to your response. > >> > >>Hakan > >> > >>At 08:49 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >> >Vegetable oil is no more biodegradable than mineral in concentrated form . > >> >It will still poison the earth! > >> > > >> >The chain oil needs to have a tackifier in order to stick to blade > >>otherwise > >> >you will use too much .If you cannot source such a polymer than commercial > >> >chain oil will be more efficient and of lower consumption. > >> > > >> > > >> >Regards Rod 0297954870 > >> >d:^) > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 9:42 PM > >> >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >> >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Apart from running 2-stroke engines on mix of ethanol/veg oil, the chain > >> >saw is a different thing. For some decades now, I use veg oil for > >> >lubricating > >> >the saw blade. In Sweden, it is now a standard to do that and almost all > >> >do it. When you buy a chain saw they recommend it now. From a pollution > >> >point this is very important, since the blade lubrication goes directly to > >> >the surrounding earth. > >> > > >> >Hakan > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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