Thank you Todd,
If you come to me with questions about energy transmission and comfort in buildings, I am quite prepared to stand up against the 95% of architects, engineers and others who do not know what they are doing. When I suggest vegetable chain saw oil, I am not on the same strong footing. It was therefore good to get your view and it made me LOL. Now when everybody knows what it means. Hakan At 11:02 PM 9/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hakan...and anyone else who reads this, > >Please accept my most humble apologies for the emphasis and >inflection I am about to put on this. > >But your off list contact Rod Stalenberg is full of more shit >than a Christmas Turkey. > >While it's true that all oils, fossil or vegetable, have a >propensity to suffocate anything they contact, it is not true >that the longevity of consequences (topical vs systemic) nor the >degree are the same. Veg oil has a shorter degradation time, as >does biodiesel, relative to fossil oil and petro-diesel. > >Veg oil and it's decomposition elements (in general) are not >anywhere near as toxic as fossil oil. No benzene rings. No >polyaromatics. > >Conduct for yourself a simple test....Just saddle up to Mr. >Stalenberg, drop as much as you want....5, 10, maybe even 15 >drops of Pennzoil's best in one pint of drinking water and the >same volume of veg oil in another pint. Hand him Pennzoil's best >and toast to his health. > >While he'll assess that you are surely crazy, take a moment to >refresh his memory on how he told you prior that both were >equally as toxic. > >Usually people like Mr. Stalenberg are washed up and ex-editors >from small town newspapers who have been put into PR positions, >often due to their inability to discern truth from fiction or >their ability to confuse the two. > >People such as he deserve not much more than a long walk on a >short plank. Hell. Forget the walk. Just kick him in the ass and >let the sharks feed. > >Todd Swearingen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:52 PM >Subject: [biofuel] Re: Veg oils as chainsaw bar oil > > > > > > Todd, > > > > > > Fits well with my experiences and therefore I said before, > > > > "I also use the manual feed button on the chain saw > > frequently to give it some extra cooling and lubrication. Do >clean the > > blade carefully directly after use, which you always should do >anyway. > > Veg oil do create some minor cleaning problems, if you let it >cool down." > > > > Nice to have a better explanation, because the gum residue get >mixed with > > saw dust. It is no problem normally, but if I am lazy and do >not clean > > directly after use. I have to work a bit more before I use the >saw the > > next time. > > > > Maybe you can help me Todd, I got some responses and statements >from > > Rod Stalenberg. It turned out that he works for BP. I responded >and it took > > some time before I discovered that it was not a list >discussion. He claimed > > that it was no difference between veg oil and fossil oil and >that both was > > comparable in poisoning the nature. Since I am not an authority >in > > chemistry, I asked the list to comment my discussion, but have >not yet > > got any answers. > > > > Personally I belive that this is not the case, all I read and >heard, points to > > the opposite. I am once more copying our discussion at the end >of this > > mail and would be grateful for comments. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 09:13 PM 9/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >You'll want to make sure that the oil has been degummed >(lecithin > > >gums removed). That's a tuff one to insure even with SVO. Even > > >most of the distributors of fryer oils to restaurants are > > >clueless as to whether or not the oil is degummed. The stuff >is > > >murder on deep fat fryers. > > > > > >Lecithin, while in light doses can behave as a mold release or > > >lubricant, tends to congeal at moderate to high temperatures >and > > >build up over time. Most people have seen the end result of > > >lecithin exposed to higher temps on their kitchen bakeware. >The > > >same would occur on a chainsaw bar in the areas most prone to > > >heat buildup. Doesn't mean the oil can't be used, just that >the > > >bar will have to be monitored tacky gum residue and possibly > > >cleaned with greater frequency. > > > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > > > > > > > > >Sorry Rod, > > > > > >I was told that used motor oil had Led in it and since chain >saw > > >oil is a product from used motor oil, I assumed that this was >the > > >case. I also thought that this was one of the expressed >advantages > > >with chain saw oil, you remember the sticky thing. I am sorry >if I > > >went wrong on this point. > > > > > >You did not really explain this about "It will still poison >the earth". > > >At least not in a way that I understood. I thought that >vegetable oil > > >did disperse more naturally and easy than fossil oil. > > > > > >For paint, I thought that Titan is the most used mix, much for >coloring > > >reasons. We are favoring paint containing aluminium instead of > > >Titan, mainly because of the large difference in emission >factor and > > >the 15-20% energy saving it can give in buildings. Not to talk >about > > >a higher sense of comfort. > > > > > >Hakan > > > > > >At 09:59 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >>Oils in the environment must diperse to dissapear . > > >> > > >>No oil is healthy for ingestion but if you must use oil for >cooking and > > >>lubricating food stuffs ,olive oil is used because of higher >polyunsaturates > > >>. Mineral oil is highly saturated and not very healthy to >intake . > > >> > > >> > > >>There is no lead in any oils . These were added to paints >and fuels only . > > >> > > >>Regards Rod 0297954870 > > >>d:^) > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Sent: Monday, 2 September 2002 9:45 AM > > >>To: Stalenberg, Rod > > >>Subject: RE: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Rod. > > >> > > >>Very interesting statement, if it is correct. Then many >arguments for > > >>vegetable oils will fall apart. I probably eat an equivalent >concentration, > > >>of > > >>what is spread on the ground by cutting a tree, with my >salad. I am using > > >>olive oil and they say that it is good for my heart. I never >tried motor > > >>oil, > > >>but if it is the same, at least it would be interesting to >try. > > >> > > >>Then it is remarkable that Husqvarna and other manufacturers >of chain saws > > >>recommend use of vegetable oil in Sweden. They have done so >for the last > > >>15+ years. If you look at a field of rape or sunflowers, you >are saying > > >>that it > > >>is poisoning the world, I did not know that so please expand >on this. The > > >>same > > >>can be said about many sources of vegetable oil. I know that >Pine trees is > > >>killing under vegetation with turpentine, but I did not know >or have the > > >>experience > > >>that oil plants or trees did something similar. Since the >concentration is > > >>much > > >>higher in the seed than the spill from a chain saw. > > >> > > >>One of the most serious poisoning from fossil oils, used for >lubrication, > > >>is the > > >>content of Led. I did not know that we had the same problem >with vegetable > > >>oils. > > >>It is removed from newer gasoline, but it needed newer >engines. For > > >>lubrication > > >>oils it is still there, if I am not misinformed. Led is one >of the most > > >>poisoning > > >>metals we have. > > >> > > >>I am not a great expert on this issues. Although I did well >in physics and > > >>biology, > > >>chemistry was never a strong point. I am trying to learn from >this board, > > >>where > > >>I find many that are good on chemistry. I have a good friend >who not only > > >>are > > >>chemist but also is a specialist on nutrition. He is running >a Spanish web > > >>site on > > >>this issues ( http://chemedia.com ) and I will ask him too. > > >> > > >>Looking forward to your response. > > >> > > >>Hakan > > >> > > >>At 08:49 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >> >Vegetable oil is no more biodegradable than mineral in >concentrated form . > > >> >It will still poison the earth! > > >> > > > >> >The chain oil needs to have a tackifier in order to stick >to blade > > >>otherwise > > >> >you will use too much .If you cannot source such a polymer >than commercial > > >> >chain oil will be more efficient and of lower consumption. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Regards Rod 0297954870 > > >> >d:^) > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 9:42 PM > > >> >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > >> >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Apart from running 2-stroke engines on mix of ethanol/veg >oil, the chain > > >> >saw is a different thing. For some decades now, I use veg >oil for > > >> >lubricating > > >> >the saw blade. In Sweden, it is now a standard to do that >and almost all > > >> >do it. When you buy a chain saw they recommend it now. From >a pollution > > >> >point this is very important, since the blade lubrication >goes directly to > > >> >the surrounding earth. > > >> > > > >> >Hakan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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