I'm looking for information on three points. 1st I need an idea of where to look for oil content of various plants, 2nd, information of the cost of gasoline compared to various alternative energy sources...cradle to grave, and 3rd, the impact on the economy of reducing the production and use of petroleum based fuels. John Busby
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel > > Hi Kirk and Keith, > > For years now, the police have controlled if the use of tax exempted off > road diesel or heating oil have been used in automobiles. Normally the > control was if the marked diesel was in the vehicle. Every day it is > hundreds of controls in every country. It only needs a very simple > directive and they would include check for bio diesel or veg oil. If that > happened in a few places, they would catch a few. Since it is good stories, > the police have no problems to get them published and it is so new, that it > is world news. > > I am not surprised, but if we make the most of it, it will be negative > publicity for the politicians and maybe it can be turned to our advantage. > The politicians know that this is crazy and will react on bad publicity. I > see this as a possible opportunity if we contact the press and make the > most of it. > > Hakan > > > At 12:32 PM 10/11/2002 +0900, you wrote: > >Hi Kirk > > > > >And when I tell people things are structured beyond their wildest dream they > > >think I am a conspiracy nut. > > >Sigh. > > >Kirk > > > >Yes, sigh. You're right, things are. But also there are conspiracy > >nuts, eh? Too often I see them go flying off down some blind-alley or > >other while remaining oblivious to a real conspiracy right under > >their noses. For two centuries, economists have worried about what > >Adam Smith described as the tendency of chieftains in a market system > >"to deceive and even to oppress the public." For instance. For one > >such case, plenty of "conspiracy" around (even here) that the cancer > >evidence is all a plot by environmentalists to hurt Big Tobacco. Or > >was it by "socialists"? Both, probably. Along with the UN and its > >plot to impose World Government, yet the same people seem to defend > >big business while global corporatization somehow escapes them. > > > >Closer to home, I think people who jumped to the conclusion that the > >apparent EPA and NBB exclusion of small-scale biodiesel producers was > >a conspiracy were wrong. Just neglect, and blindness - the small guys > >were beneath their radar screen. They see profits of less than $10 > >million a year as "small". It remains to be proven, but it seems the > >way is clear now. But it was said to be a conspiracy by ADM - not a > >nice company at all, but let's get it right. > > > >Anyway, about this "funny" - what is it they say about coincidences? > >One coincidence is a coincidence, two coincidences is suspicious, > >three coincidences is enemy action. Something like that. > > > >Still, I doubt it. Even if so, I'd say it's too late, we're too > >widespread. Even tracing methanol sales, waste oil collection, etc, > >as someone just suggested - any real crackdown, would demand huge > >resources, more than it's worth, and put them in the awkward position > >of finally having to explain just why they're victimizing people > >who're probably doing more to save carbon and the environment than > >they are. Politically, it might be a hot potato. Anyway, at best, I > >think enforcement nets maybe 10% of any contraband, usually much > >less. The attraction of the illicit, plus a certain dissatisfaction > >with central government, might even encourage it. I think it did work > >that way during Prohibition didn't it? Didn't consumption go up? > > > >Best > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:31 PM > > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel > > > > > > > > >Funny... there's this "Frying Squad" story from the UK, the World > > >Energy report on a tax crackdown on the guys in Maine, and this from > > >Oz, all more or less at once - from the veg-oil list yesterday: > > > > > > >Hi Guys: > > > > > > > >I briefly heard on the BBC this morning that in Australia people are > > > >being ticketed for running diesels on veggie oil and thus not paying a > > > >road tax on fuel. Then someone else told me they heard about this in > > > >San Francisco, California (which I can't find confirmation of). > > > > > > > >Anyone know more about this? > > > > > > > >Lori > > > > > >Best > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ummm, FYI!! > > > > > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/news? > > > >tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20021009/od_nm/petrol_dc > > > > > > > >LONDON (Reuters) - A Welsh police team dubbed "the Frying Squad" has > > > >been formed to sniff out motorists who fuel their cars with cooking > > > >oil from fish and chip shops in a bid to avoid paying high government > > > >fuel taxes. > > > > > > > >Three Welsh motorists have already been caught and fined for using > > > >waste oil from restaurants selling Britain's favorite deep-fried > > > >dish, the Times newspaper reported Wednesday. > > > > > > > >"I have halved my motoring costs since I started running my Subaru on > > > >cooking oil," the paper quoted one of those stopped as saying. > > > > > > > >"The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel." > > > > > > > >The drivers were fined 500 pounds ($780) and warned that persistent > > > >offenders may face up to seven years in jail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How does one make WVO burn to smell like diesel fuel? There must be > > > >some type of additive, eh? Good reason not to run dedicated WVO and > > > >be able to switch back to derv when going through toll booths. Time > > > >to take the decals off the windows. > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuels list archives: > >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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