--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James,
You are probably right :-( . With current oil depletion it will be very high value. No proof left of our generations stupid behavior. Hakan At 04:07 PM 11/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I'm sure that reclaimation of the landfills will happen well before >Archeologists have a chance to study it. ;-) Someone will realize that >mining the landfills produces much wealth. > >James Slayden > >On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Hakan Falk wrote: > > > > > Dear Harley, > > > > If you are right, I will sleep better. Knowing that the landfill now > > is long life plastic pallets. At least it is dumped in American land > > fills. Something for future Archeological excavations, if some one > > is left to do such activities. > > > > Hakan > > > > At 03:32 PM 11/24/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >Dear Mr. Falk: > > > > > >Your information was exaggerated and dated. The hardwood pallet made in > > the > > >U.S., are reused. Most of the wood pallets have been replaced with a > > longer > > >life plastic pallets of one design or another. When wood pallets where > > in > > >use, they where constantly reused, until breakage. If broken they where > > >rebuilt, and used again. Until they where beyond repair. Then usually > > >someone would take them home, and burns them to heat their house. > > > > > >It was more cost effective to use a low quality hardwood for pallets > > because > > >they would last long than using a softwood. It use to save money and > > trees > > >to use hardwoods in pallet construction. That is until a long life > > plastic > > >pallet became more cost affective. > > > > > >Only in America! > > > > > >Harley Fellion > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:38 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online > > > > > > > > > > > > Only in America!!! > > > > > > I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think > > that > > > it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see > > reason > > > for some pallets to be made of hardwood, but they should be guarded > > and > > > reused. But this irresponsible behavior cannot be excused. Six > > pallets of > > > hardwood per American in land fills, give me a break! > > > > > > I am of the opinion that it is almost a sin to use hardwood for > > pallets in > > > the first place. How can you use types of trees that take 50 to 100 > > years > > > to mature for purposes like this. Hardwood is also very stupid to put > > in > > > landfills, because of the long time it takes to disintegrate. If you > > >really > > > need to waste hardwood, effective burning is probably the best. > > Compared > > >to > > > the pallets we mostly use in Europe, made of pine tree, hardwood take > > 4-8 > > > times longer to mature. Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly > > in > > > central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature as > > pine > > > trees and it is questionable if it is still hardwood. The fast > > growing > > >teak > > > is softer, but still have the natural defense against humidity and > > >insects. > > > > > > Hardwood is mostly a tropical or sub tropical tree and how can US use > > this > > > for pallets and at the same time be upset about the deforestation of > > the > > > remaining oxygen suppliers of the world. The hardwood of Europe was > > by > > > tradition the property of the Kings, wherever it was rooted, because > > of > > >its > > > value for building ships and as structural building material. In this > > case > > > oak was a strategic defense material. Oak used as structure for > > buildings, > > > was inherited and reused for new buildings. The value of oak was > > almost > > > comparable to gold a few hundred years ago. > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > At 07:25 AM 11/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > > > > > Re wasted wood, I picked this up somewhere or other, for the US, > > not > > > > > Canada: "In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden > > pallets - > > > > > platforms associated with shipping - went into the solid waste > > > > > stream, accounting for over 60 percent of all wood waste." And: > > > > > "There are an estimated 6 hardwood palletts in landfill for every > > > > > resident of the US." > > > > > > > > > > > > ><snip> > > > > > > > > Indeed! I used to collect hardwood pallets, cut them up and > > burn > > > >them. Over the course of the "average" winter, my family burned 8 > > tons > > > >of wood like this. We hadn't paid for heat in years! Making the > > leap > > > >back into fossil fueled residential heating was a hard decision for > > me. > > > >I like the automaticity of our natural gas boiler, but we haven't > > > >received a bill yet . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just posted this somewhere else: > > > > > > > > > > "... the United States is now far from being a sustainable > > society, > > > > > and in many respects is further away than it was at the time of > > the > > > > > Earth Summit in 1992. Unlike many other developed countries, the > > > > > United States has not used a strategic process to move the > > country > > > > > toward a sustainable future and has not educated the American > > people > > > > > about the opportunities and challenges of sustainable > > development." > > > > > > > ><snip> > > > > > > > > I've been lamenting about this for at least 30 years. That's > > one of > > > >the reasons I'm here. > > > > > > > >robert luis rabello > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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