Robert,

In Sweden it is a lot of snow and the season from Stockholm
and up can be 6 month. When I learned to drive 45 years ago,
somebody told me "on slippery roads, drive like you have eggs
between feet and pedal and a woman in you arms, no force
and gentle movements". A very good advice that I never forgot
and practice in both situations.

Hakan


At 11:22 PM 2/27/2003 -0800, you wrote:


>Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Some days the owners do, of course, need these things, but almost all
> > the ones I saw were empty and the funny thing is, a 4 cylinder
> > turbodiesel got me and 120+ litres of fuel (when I left here), tools,
> > clothing, computer and digital video studio there and back, at temps as
> > low as -15C, and at over 50 mpg (average speed around 100 km/h)
>
>     The perceived "need" and the reality are frequently two different
>things.  I lived in Terrace, which is in west central B.C. --an area that
>receives tremendous quantities of snow--for a little over two years.  I drove
>around in a rear wheel drive 1985 Pontiac Parisienne through snow and ice
>every winter and only got stuck twice.  (Both times on a slippery incline
>very close to the school where I taught.  My students loved to make fun of my
>innate "Californian" inability to drive in the snow. . .)  In those
>conditions, I kept a candle in the glove box, blankets and a shovel in the
>trunk, but never needed four wheel drive.  Even on a trip up to Cranberry
>Junction during deep winter, all season radials were more than sufficient to
>get me around.
>
>     My lovely wife had a 2.8 liter 5 speed Camaro at that time.  We kept a
>pair of cylinder heads in the back of that thing and NEVER got stuck!
>
>     Now that I live in the mild climate east of Vancouver, I drive a 2.3
>liter 5 speed Ford Ranger.  It's two wheel drive and remarkably good in the
>slippery snow we get down here.  Of course, it helps to drive cautiously in
>inclement weather!  (The big four wheel drive trucks and SUVs seem to be the
>first ones in the ditch whenever it snows. . .)
>
>     The Ranger delivers no better 10 kilometers per liter no matter how
>carefully I drive it.  Personally, I find this fuel economy pretty pathetic,
>given that my propane powered Pontiac with a 5.7 liter V 8 used to get better
>than 6 km / liter with an automatic transmission, and it carried around
>nearly 1 tonne of additional mass!  But the truck is very practical and I'm
>having a hard time letting it go. . .  (Why buy a car when you can have a
>truck???)
>
>     Replacing the Ranger with a full sized diesel is an option I've
>considered.  But I don't need 4 wheel drive, and the diesel trucks in my
>price range are in MUCH rattier condition than my Ranger.  To find something
>comparable, I'd have to spend over $20 000.  I can buy a LOT of gasoline for
>that!  (Although I don't need anything full sized, I drove a 6.3 turbo diesel
>a couple of months ago and LOVED the throttle response--it was like my '73
>Chevelle all over again. . .)
>
>     Small trucks with diesels used to be easier to find than they are now.
>Personally, I'd like one of those 4 door turbo diesel Rangers built in
>Indonesia!  Apparently, however, it's impossible to import them into Canada,
>and Ford seems unwilling to build them here.  Instead, we get the Explorer
>SporTrac, with it's completely USELESS box and ONLY a gasoline engine.
>
>     Too bad!
>
>robert luis rabello
>"The Edge of Justice"
>Adventure for Your Mind
>http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782



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