We already have a EU power bloc, from economical and sociological point of view. I do not want it to be the "other" either. It should not be one military force, because of the nature of EU. It should replace NATO as a defence alliance, but free from US direct influence. It is time to get rid of the US military presence in Europe, it is long overdue and misused.
Hakan At 02:05 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Actually, I'm not too attracted to the idea of a EU power bloc, >or formalised defence apparatus as counter to US power. It just >seems to recreate the 'other' that corporate USA in its various >manifestations needs to justify it own existence. The UN worked >fine; virtually everyone came to realise that the USA had long >planned war on Iraq, to a timetable, and that the UN work of US >and UK was only intended to provide a spurious legitimacy for >what US was going to do come what may. Yes, I believe Nato is >irrelevant > >Andrew > >On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:52:34 +0200, "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Andrew, > > > > I agree. > > > > It seems to me that the biggest challenge for the world is > > if it can deal with the Iraq events in an evenhanded way. It > > means that the "Coalition of the Barbarians" (referring to > > the cultural education that made them protect the oil ministry > > instead of the heritage of the world), should stand scrutiny > > according to the Geneva convention. > > > > UN is now needed more than ever and NATO should be > > dismantled in favor of a EU defence organization. The > > world need some balance. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 10:21 AM 4/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:19:30 +0200, "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > > > > Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Blair and Howard have secured a prominent place > > > > in > > > > the world history,... > > > > > >snip > > > > > > >..It is also a war crime, according to the Geneva convention. > > > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > >I,ve seen a number of photos of dead Iraqi soldiers holding white flags. > > >One of the pictures was on the front page of the UK 'Independent' > > >newspaper, showing two soldiers dead in a 2-3 man dug-out trench, one > > >clutching a white flag. Several US soldiers stood by the trench. > > > > > >None of this seems to have attracted any comment whatsoever in mainstream > > >media discussion. > > > > > > > > >Andrew Preston > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
