This guy is right on the mark!
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr012903.htm
Sorry, Mr. Franklin, “We’re All Democrats Now”
Introduction
At the close of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Benjamin Franklin
told an inquisitive citizen that the delegates to the Constitutional
Convention gave the people “a Republic, if you can keep it.” We
should
apologize to Mr. Franklin. It is obvious that the Republic is gone, for we
are wallowing in a pure democracy against which the Founders had strongly
warned.
Madison, the father of the Constitution, could not have been more explicit
in his fear and concern for democracies. “Democracies,” he said,
“have
ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in
general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their
death.”
If Madison’s assessment was correct, it behooves those of us in Congress
to
take note and decide, indeed, whether the Republic has vanished, when it
occurred, and exactly what to expect in the way of “turbulence,
contention,
and violence.” And above all else, what can we and what will we do about
it?
Steve Spence
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Subject: RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> What about Representative Ron Paul? -BRAH
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kris Book [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:53 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
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> The American system could work fairly well with a few minor
> adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term
> limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and
> there is no place on this planet for long term politicians.
> They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big
> money sooner or later. I guess there might be an exception
> but, I sure as hell can't remember any lately.
>
> kris
>
>
> --- Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear John,
> >
> > I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe
> > you
> > could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have
> > seen many
> > misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent
> > one.
> >
> > The thing is that we do not have anything better and with
> > a lawful
> > parliamentary democracy you are not secure anyway, as
> > history
> > show with painful accuracy.
> >
> > Plato did loose his beliefs in democracy, when Socrates
> > was
> > sentenced to death by a direct democracy. He obviously
> > had strong
> > reasons. I do not know of any democracy of today, that
> > have a
> > direct democracy of that kind. It is therefore natural
> > for me to
> > judge a current situation and not disqualify a democracy
> > because
> > of something that do not exist.
> >
> > I have earlier raised doubts about direct democracy, but
> > the
> > only form that are used today are advisory referendums. A
> > parliament that are responsible for decisions do not even
> > have
> > the obligation to follow a referendum result, if it is
> > strong reasons
> > for not to do so.
> >
> > Until somebody does not come up with a better and fairer
> > system,
> > I think that I keep my beliefs in democracies. I will
> > even include
> > the US one in it, despite the obvious corporate vote
> > purchasing.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> > At 12:34 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Hakan Falk wrote:
> > >
> > > > I do not understand why you think that parliamentary
> > democracy
> > > > has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard
> > such a stupid
> > > > definition of democracy and never experienced it
> > either. I have to
> > > > ask you what the opposite alternative is?
> > >
> > >"It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute
> > public opinion
> > >for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of
> > men exhibit their
> > >tyranny." -James Fenimore Cooper
> > >
> > >"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a
> > totalitarian regime,
> > >suppress minorities and still remain democratic."
> > > - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
> > >
> > >Hakan, I normally respect what you have to say around
> > this parts, but I
> > >think you are overreacting to Kirk's cynical definition
> > of democracy.
> > >Respect for the rule of law is required to temper pure
> > democracy for
> > >otherwise it is doomed to decay into a tyranny of the
> > majority.
> > >
> > >I don't want to speak for Kirk, but I imagine his point
> > was that
> > >democracy must be tempered by law. Presumably, you
> > automatically assume
> > >such contraints when you use the phrase parliamentary
> > democracy.
> > >However, I think Kirk's point remains that a pure
> > unconstrained
> > >democracy is a very dangerous thing.
> > >
> > >John
> >
> >
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