Amen. Greg H.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Book" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 18:53 Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory > The American system could work fairly well with a few minor > adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term > limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and > there is no place on this planet for long term politicians. > They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big > money sooner or later. I guess there might be an exception > but, I sure as hell can't remember any lately. > > kris > > > --- Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dear John, > > > > I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe > > you > > could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have > > seen many > > misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent > > one. > > > > The thing is that we do not have anything better and with > > a lawful > > parliamentary democracy you are not secure anyway, as > > history > > show with painful accuracy. > > > > Plato did loose his beliefs in democracy, when Socrates > > was > > sentenced to death by a direct democracy. He obviously > > had strong > > reasons. I do not know of any democracy of today, that > > have a > > direct democracy of that kind. It is therefore natural > > for me to > > judge a current situation and not disqualify a democracy > > because > > of something that do not exist. > > > > I have earlier raised doubts about direct democracy, but > > the > > only form that are used today are advisory referendums. A > > parliament that are responsible for decisions do not even > > have > > the obligation to follow a referendum result, if it is > > strong reasons > > for not to do so. > > > > Until somebody does not come up with a better and fairer > > system, > > I think that I keep my beliefs in democracies. I will > > even include > > the US one in it, despite the obvious corporate vote > > purchasing. > > > > Hakan > > > > At 12:34 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hakan Falk wrote: > > > > > > > I do not understand why you think that parliamentary > > democracy > > > > has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard > > such a stupid > > > > definition of democracy and never experienced it > > either. I have to > > > > ask you what the opposite alternative is? > > > > > >"It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute > > public opinion > > >for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of > > men exhibit their > > >tyranny." -James Fenimore Cooper > > > > > >"Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a > > totalitarian regime, > > >suppress minorities and still remain democratic." > > > - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn > > > > > >Hakan, I normally respect what you have to say around > > this parts, but I > > >think you are overreacting to Kirk's cynical definition > > of democracy. > > >Respect for the rule of law is required to temper pure > > democracy for > > >otherwise it is doomed to decay into a tyranny of the > > majority. > > > > > >I don't want to speak for Kirk, but I imagine his point > > was that > > >democracy must be tempered by law. Presumably, you > > automatically assume > > >such contraints when you use the phrase parliamentary > > democracy. > > >However, I think Kirk's point remains that a pure > > unconstrained > > >democracy is a very dangerous thing. > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list > > address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z_CBYA/vB5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
