Mike,
Then I understand you a lot better and think it is a very good idea. Otherwise the 20 gallon/month will just be enough for the need of hot water for a family of 8-10 persons. If it is to rise temperature or backup in a solar system it is an other thing. The waste incinerator will give you quite a lot more, if you use it to heat water at the restaurant. By already having the large hot water storage, that is normal for solar, you only have to fire up the burner once, when needed. This make it more feasible, since you otherwise have to design a control system also, with automatic start/stop of the burner. Now you can have a simple thermostat-clock-bell, who tells you at a specified time if the storage temperature is too low and that you need to fire up. Hakan At 01:42 AM 9/20/2003, you wrote: >Salui Hakan! >What I really should have said is that we have installed solar, but I was >thinking of WVO as a "backup" as opposed to electric heating. >I also thought of providing the same restaurant with hot water, so they will >get a better grease removal from the plates.... > >Mike >JAMAICA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. > > > > 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating > > of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar > > panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, > > etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle > > fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the > > best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun > > which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an > > unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. > > > > Hakan > > > > At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: > > >Thanks Keith, > > > > > >I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent > > >admirer of your work. > > >I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site > > >interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. > > > > > >I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant >for > > >heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste > > >incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom > > >growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of >wastewater > > >reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... > > > > > >I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot > > >from just one site. > > >This is my first attempt at this. > > >I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank >it > > >as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been >to! > > >I will let you know of my progress. > > > > > >Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is >it > > >based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know.... I am >willing > > >to try the Turk burner... > > > > > >I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the >sides > > >with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. > > > > > >Any further ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > >Sincerely.. > > > > > >Mike Barnett > > >JAMAICA. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM > > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have >strated > > >to > > > > >collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington >style > > > > >burner. > > > > > > > > > >Anyone with experiences willing to share? > > > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > >JAMAICA > > > > > > > > Hello Mike, welcome > > > > > > > > You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a > > > > hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you > > > > can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: > > > > MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater > > > > > > > ><<http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html>ht >tp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html > > > > ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those > > > > frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). > > > > > > > > This one: > > > > > > > ><<http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/>http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/>http://ww2.green-trust.o >rg:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ > > > > Turk Burner > > > > ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what > > > > John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: > > > > > > > > "I think this is what you might call a "Turbo Mother Earth News > > > > Burner". The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube > > > > and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude > > > > experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design > > > > is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants > > > > off the Babington burner." > > > > > > > > People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the > > > > impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). > > > > > > > > Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to > > > > burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This > > > > works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from > > > > Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one > > > > that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an > > > > IDD woodstove I designed a while back: > > > > > > > ><<http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html>http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html>http://journeytoforever.org/test >stove.html > > > > > > > > It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated > > > > glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, > > > > like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. > > > > Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and > > > > reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would > > > > be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of > > > > money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > <http://archive.nnytech.net/>http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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