Further to which... http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18259 The Christian Taliban
Best Keith > >Some really sick crap...... > > > >http://www.cdfe.org/ > > > >Pick a link. According to these asinigned zealots the sypmtoms are the cause > >of the disease. > >Some of them may be zealots, but I think most of them are just... >damn, the term that's used is "whores", but that's an abusive term >for prostitutes and using it this way defames them: it implies >dishonesty and carries contempt, which is unjust. Can't think of an >apt term for these folks. "Whores" then, for now, with due >reservation. > > >Think I'd rather bed down with the Taliban. At least their doctrine has some > >assemblance of social order and construct other than exploiting anything and > >everything for a buck. > > > >There are terrorists and then there are terrorists. > > > >Todd Swearingen > >Appal Energy > >The Taliban is more honest - whatever their principles and actions >might be (execrable in many ways), they at least hold to them because >they believe in them, not because they're paid to. Though they did >accept rather a lot of millions of dollars in US support... but you >didn't see them spouting a lot of US propaganda as a result. I don't >think they're any worse than Christian fundamentalist extremists or >any other kind of fundamentalist extremists, maybe not as bad in some >ways. ("Keith supports Taliban!" LOL!) > >Are the Taliban terrorists though? They did and do support Al-Qaeda, >which is also a creation of US funding and support, and possibly more >than that. The US is itelf a major supporter of terrorists, from the >mujahideen to Fort Benning, and much more besides. ("Ah, but they're >*our* terrorists." For now maybe...) But I don't think the Taliban >itself has been guilty of terrorism. > >Whereas the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and its ilk... >"Since the late 1980's, CDFE has been at the center of the Wise Use >movement. CDFE was originally founded by Alan Gottlieb July 4, 1976. >The Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen's Committee for the >Right to Keep and Bear Arms were founded at the same time, and CDFE >is still affiliated with both gun groups. According to the New York >Times, Gottlieb shifted his focus to environmentalism when he >realized the fundraising potential. The New York Times wrote, "For >conservative fundraisers like Mr. Gottlieb, the enemies were Senator >Edward M. Kennedy and the threat of gun control. But now Mr. Gottlieb >has found a better target. 'For us' said Mr. Gottlieb...'the >environmental movement has become the perfect bogeyman.'" CDFE is a >501(c)3 tax-exempt organization." > >The Taliban are not whores. > >Are people like CDFE terrorists? I think so. This is terrorism: > >12/19/03 >BOOK REVIEWS >Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death >Read the rave reviews of Paul Driessen's new book that exposes the >green racist agenda to withhold malaria control and life-saving GMO >crops from Africa and other developing nations. A horrifying account >of green genocide. > >Inasmuch as info-toxins like this convince the gullible, which >clearly they do, people's lives and livelihoods are destroyed en >masse. The malaria-control bit is pro-DDT, which is an environmental >disaster - great stuff for small-farmer communities entirely >dependent on a healthy and functioning ecology. The pro-DDT lobbying >is helping to hold up research on far more promising solutions >without the unacceptable costs, such as this, yesterday: >http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/24455/story.htm >Studies Show Promise in Fight Against Malaria > >I've got a whole file of stuff like that, and what's obvious is that >not nearly enough funding is going into it, despite the huge death >toll and its crippling effect - there's more money in DDT. > >"Life-saving GMO crops"? The Africans don't think so, and withstood >immense US pressure in the face of a famine to reject them. In India, >this is what happens: > >"One video project currently underway is a series monthly interviews >with cotton farmers accompanied by filming of their transgenic Bt >Cotton crops as they have been growing over the current season. Even >before the season is over, the videos are recording the changing mood >of the farmers as it turns from enthusiasm to disappointment. Once >the cotton is harvested (if there is still cotton to harvest, the >results have been so poor so far) the video will be used as part of >the campaign against genetically engineered crops. A preliminary >report has already been prepared by three scientists and reported in >New India Express. On the same day, The Hindu reported the suicides >of three farmers." > >There have been thousands of farmer suicides because of this. That >GMOs will help prevent famine in the 3rd World is a lie, and a >murderous one. Rolling back health and environmental controls on >hazardous chemicals by means of further paid-for lies is also >murderous. > >But maybe that's not really terrorism - terrorism is indeed killing >innocent civilians, but usually in pursuit of a political agenda, not >just because you're paid to. We really do need a new term for this. > >"Wise Use" Thought for the Day: > >"'Precautionary Principle.' This misguided maxim argues that, based >on the fear that something harmful may *possibly* arise, we should >opt for technological paralysis." >-- Center for Consumer Freedom > >For antidote, see: >http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2387 >Corporate Campaign Against Precaution > >Center for Consumer Freedom > >The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest >Choice Network") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and >tobacco industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts >of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and >groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny >Culture - the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, >anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best >for you.' " > >CCF is one of the more active of several front groups created by >Berman & Co., a public affairs firm owned by lobbyist Rick Berman. >Based in Washington, DC, Berman & Co. represents the tobacco industry >as well as hotels, beer distributors, taverns, and restaurant chains. > >The group actively opposes smoking bans and lowering the legal >blood-alcohol level, while targeting studies on the dangers of red >meat consumption, overfishing and pesticides. Each year they give out >the "nanny awards" to groups who, according to them, try to tell >consumers how to live their lives. > >Anyone who criticizes tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods or soda pop is >likely to come under attack from CCF. Its enemies list has included >such diverse groups and individuals as the Alliance of American >Insurers; the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the American >Medical Association; the Arthritis Foundation; the Consumer >Federation of America; New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani; the Harvard >School of Public Health; the Marin Institute for the Prevention of >Alcohol and Other Drug Problems; the National Association of High >School Principals; the National Safety Council; the National >Transportation Safety Board; the Office of Highway Safety for the >state of Georgia; Ralph Nader's group, Public Citizen; the U.S. >Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); and the U.S. >Department of Transportation. > >In a 1999 interview with the Chain Leader, a trade publication for >restaurant chains, Berman boasted that he attacks activists more >aggressively than other lobbyists. "We always have a knife in our >teeth," he said. Since activists "drive consumer behavior on meat, >alcohol, fat, sugar, tobacco and caffeine," his strategy is "to shoot >the messenger. ... We've got to attack their credibility as >spokespersons." > >In a May 11, 2002 San Francisco Chronicle article, CCF spokesman John >Doyle responded to questions about nationwide radio ads put out by >the group. He said the ads were meant to attract people to their >website and "draw attention to our enemies: just about every consumer >and environmental group, chef, legislator or doctor who raises >objections to things like pesticide use, genetic engineering of crops >or antibiotic use in beef and poultry." > >http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom >Disinfopedia > >All the same, eh? Shoot the messenger, knife in our teeth. Just like >CDFE's Ron Arnold, out to kill everyone with a sword and so on. Not >just talk, not just a figure of speech. > >Best > >Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
