Drawing a blank here. Who is it that you are referring to? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rico suavae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
> Seems to me that one of the biggest zealots was put to death about this time of year a while back.Crazy thing was,he didn't do it for just a few.He did it for you too.There's nothing wrong about being passionate about what you do and believe in.Sharing it usually becomes part of the process.Otherwise we wouldn't be on this board.Share what you've discovered with others!Just don't shove it down their throat. > Rico > > Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yah...Zealots should scare just about anyone. > > But then again, I'll put a zealous Greanpeacer hanging from the anchor of an > outgoing freight destined to dump its toxic waste in the North Sea over a > RWASP (right-wing, anglo-saxon, protestant) hell bent on forcing the world > to live by his or her code. > > One serves the broadest interests of humanity. The other only a narrow > corridor. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics > > > > Further to which... > > > > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18259 > > The Christian Taliban > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > >Some really sick crap...... > > > > > > > >http://www.cdfe.org/ > > > > > > > >Pick a link. According to these asinigned zealots the sypmtoms are the > cause > > > >of the disease. > > > > > >Some of them may be zealots, but I think most of them are just... > > >damn, the term that's used is "whores", but that's an abusive term > > >for prostitutes and using it this way defames them: it implies > > >dishonesty and carries contempt, which is unjust. Can't think of an > > >apt term for these folks. "Whores" then, for now, with due > > >reservation. > > > > > > >Think I'd rather bed down with the Taliban. At least their doctrine has > some > > > >assemblance of social order and construct other than exploiting > anything and > > > >everything for a buck. > > > > > > > >There are terrorists and then there are terrorists. > > > > > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > >Appal Energy > > > > > >The Taliban is more honest - whatever their principles and actions > > >might be (execrable in many ways), they at least hold to them because > > >they believe in them, not because they're paid to. Though they did > > >accept rather a lot of millions of dollars in US support... but you > > >didn't see them spouting a lot of US propaganda as a result. I don't > > >think they're any worse than Christian fundamentalist extremists or > > >any other kind of fundamentalist extremists, maybe not as bad in some > > >ways. ("Keith supports Taliban!" LOL!) > > > > > >Are the Taliban terrorists though? They did and do support Al-Qaeda, > > >which is also a creation of US funding and support, and possibly more > > >than that. The US is itelf a major supporter of terrorists, from the > > >mujahideen to Fort Benning, and much more besides. ("Ah, but they're > > >*our* terrorists." For now maybe...) But I don't think the Taliban > > >itself has been guilty of terrorism. > > > > > >Whereas the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and its ilk... > > >"Since the late 1980's, CDFE has been at the center of the Wise Use > > >movement. CDFE was originally founded by Alan Gottlieb July 4, 1976. > > >The Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen's Committee for the > > >Right to Keep and Bear Arms were founded at the same time, and CDFE > > >is still affiliated with both gun groups. According to the New York > > >Times, Gottlieb shifted his focus to environmentalism when he > > >realized the fundraising potential. The New York Times wrote, "For > > >conservative fundraisers like Mr. Gottlieb, the enemies were Senator > > >Edward M. Kennedy and the threat of gun control. But now Mr. Gottlieb > > >has found a better target. 'For us' said Mr. Gottlieb...'the > > >environmental movement has become the perfect bogeyman.'" CDFE is a > > >501(c)3 tax-exempt organization." > > > > > >The Taliban are not whores. > > > > > >Are people like CDFE terrorists? I think so. This is terrorism: > > > > > >12/19/03 > > >BOOK REVIEWS > > >Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death > > >Read the rave reviews of Paul Driessen's new book that exposes the > > >green racist agenda to withhold malaria control and life-saving GMO > > >crops from Africa and other developing nations. A horrifying account > > >of green genocide. > > > > > >Inasmuch as info-toxins like this convince the gullible, which > > >clearly they do, people's lives and livelihoods are destroyed en > > >masse. The malaria-control bit is pro-DDT, which is an environmental > > >disaster - great stuff for small-farmer communities entirely > > >dependent on a healthy and functioning ecology. The pro-DDT lobbying > > >is helping to hold up research on far more promising solutions > > >without the unacceptable costs, such as this, yesterday: > > >http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/24455/story.htm > > >Studies Show Promise in Fight Against Malaria > > > > > >I've got a whole file of stuff like that, and what's obvious is that > > >not nearly enough funding is going into it, despite the huge death > > >toll and its crippling effect - there's more money in DDT. > > > > > >"Life-saving GMO crops"? The Africans don't think so, and withstood > > >immense US pressure in the face of a famine to reject them. In India, > > >this is what happens: > > > > > >"One video project currently underway is a series monthly interviews > > >with cotton farmers accompanied by filming of their transgenic Bt > > >Cotton crops as they have been growing over the current season. Even > > >before the season is over, the videos are recording the changing mood > > >of the farmers as it turns from enthusiasm to disappointment. Once > > >the cotton is harvested (if there is still cotton to harvest, the > > >results have been so poor so far) the video will be used as part of > > >the campaign against genetically engineered crops. A preliminary > > >report has already been prepared by three scientists and reported in > > >New India Express. On the same day, The Hindu reported the suicides > > >of three farmers." > > > > > >There have been thousands of farmer suicides because of this. That > > >GMOs will help prevent famine in the 3rd World is a lie, and a > > >murderous one. Rolling back health and environmental controls on > > >hazardous chemicals by means of further paid-for lies is also > > >murderous. > > > > > >But maybe that's not really terrorism - terrorism is indeed killing > > >innocent civilians, but usually in pursuit of a political agenda, not > > >just because you're paid to. We really do need a new term for this. > > > > > >"Wise Use" Thought for the Day: > > > > > >"'Precautionary Principle.' This misguided maxim argues that, based > > >on the fear that something harmful may *possibly* arise, we should > > >opt for technological paralysis." > > >-- Center for Consumer Freedom > > > > > >For antidote, see: > > >http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2387 > > >Corporate Campaign Against Precaution > > > > > >Center for Consumer Freedom > > > > > >The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest > > >Choice Network") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and > > >tobacco industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts > > >of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and > > >groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny > > >Culture - the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, > > >anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best > > >for you.' " > > > > > >CCF is one of the more active of several front groups created by > > >Berman & Co., a public affairs firm owned by lobbyist Rick Berman. > > >Based in Washington, DC, Berman & Co. represents the tobacco industry > > >as well as hotels, beer distributors, taverns, and restaurant chains. > > > > > >The group actively opposes smoking bans and lowering the legal > > >blood-alcohol level, while targeting studies on the dangers of red > > >meat consumption, overfishing and pesticides. Each year they give out > > >the "nanny awards" to groups who, according to them, try to tell > > >consumers how to live their lives. > > > > > >Anyone who criticizes tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods or soda pop is > > >likely to come under attack from CCF. Its enemies list has included > > >such diverse groups and individuals as the Alliance of American > > >Insurers; the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the American > > >Medical Association; the Arthritis Foundation; the Consumer > > >Federation of America; New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani; the Harvard > > >School of Public Health; the Marin Institute for the Prevention of > > >Alcohol and Other Drug Problems; the National Association of High > > >School Principals; the National Safety Council; the National > > >Transportation Safety Board; the Office of Highway Safety for the > > >state of Georgia; Ralph Nader's group, Public Citizen; the U.S. > > >Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); and the U.S. > > >Department of Transportation. > > > > > >In a 1999 interview with the Chain Leader, a trade publication for > > >restaurant chains, Berman boasted that he attacks activists more > > >aggressively than other lobbyists. "We always have a knife in our > > >teeth," he said. Since activists "drive consumer behavior on meat, > > >alcohol, fat, sugar, tobacco and caffeine," his strategy is "to shoot > > >the messenger. ... We've got to attack their credibility as > > >spokespersons." > > > > > >In a May 11, 2002 San Francisco Chronicle article, CCF spokesman John > > >Doyle responded to questions about nationwide radio ads put out by > > >the group. He said the ads were meant to attract people to their > > >website and "draw attention to our enemies: just about every consumer > > >and environmental group, chef, legislator or doctor who raises > > >objections to things like pesticide use, genetic engineering of crops > > >or antibiotic use in beef and poultry." > > > > > >http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom > > >Disinfopedia > > > > > >All the same, eh? Shoot the messenger, knife in our teeth. Just like > > >CDFE's Ron Arnold, out to kill everyone with a sword and so on. Not > > >just talk, not just a figure of speech. > > > > > >Best > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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