Hello Marc >Thanks for the answers they are helpfull im very impressed with what >I see on the"journey" website (always have been).
Thankyou! Glad to hear too that you're getting your project fully in gear again, and adding biodiesel production. >Yes Im a "newbie" >to processing biodiesel but an oldie on algaeculture technology for >oil production and algae based " Living fuel cell" technology. >and..Of course, im an long time time distiller.. having produced >ethanol for fuel and then organically certified pharmaceutical U.S.P. >Grade ethanol... also.. im no stranger to methane digestors and >gasifiers. > > My bioregion is one of the most polluted in the U.S., my county >and three cities cities in it, are very proactive and are using all >sorts of afv's and hybrid electrics.. The ethanol industry is >dominated by the big guys but I see a great opportunity to use our >ethanol distillery to make a fair amount of Biodiesel (up to 7000 >gals per week eventually) and in fact we are prepared to do so >Immediatly. > I have relatively close ties with some biodiesel experts who >are going to assist us in start up.If our facilities were not also >training facilities, I would not be so concerned about how I go about >handling hazardous chemicals as we are well equipped with hazmat >protection having done a good deal of acid hydrolysis, but we are >visited by a good many people here and expect that our "Green Job" >training programs will be very well attended ..so god forbid that we >make errors in our process that could cause a disaster. Professionally, they isolate the methanol/methoxide part of it with argon. Or at least some of them do. Overkill for us, and for small-scale local operations I think. It depends how you look at it I suppose. > I am one who always beleives in learning all I can from as many >sources as possible that is why I am on various related lists and >this is one of the best ive found on biodiesel.. I'm glad you think so. It's about more than just biodiesel, but the biodiesel resources and expertise here are good, it's really helped push the technology forward in the last four years. I've learnt such a lot from this list! The resources are the biodiesel section and the Biofuels online library at Journey to Forever, which have benefited greatly from list input, and I guess vice-versa, and the list archives, which is huge (33,500 messages). The archives is VERY useful! But DON'T use Yahoo's archives. Apart from the ads, it searches the archives in tiny steps of 50 or so messages at a time, so to do a single search you'd need to hit 670 pages. Yahoo pages. Plus all the ads. Useless. Use our independent archives, linked at the bottom of every message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ This is an independent archives, provided and maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful, fast and efficient one-time searching, and no ads. (Martin also hosts our website, and Steve Spence's. Thankyou once again for everything Martin, I don't know what we'd do without you.) >there are others that >I feel are a disgrace, carrying on like a bunch of brats. There are only one or two culprits (which is all it takes), but beyond that the Marie Celeste is not a good model for list management, nor is Rip van Winkle. Hence those one or two can do whatever they like there, no matter how deceitful or destructive. The Internet is still a baby. Those guys would not be able to get away with such behaviour in their real-world communities, they probably wouldn't even consider it. All communities (local communities anyway, if not nations) long ago developed structures for discouraging and punishing sociopathic conduct. Such structures don't yet exist in the virtual-world communities. They will in time, but until they do, and normal social inhibitions apply, lists need active moderation. An abandoned list is a disaster, and there's nothing that can be done about it, though many have tried. Yahoo has never responded with anything more than a cheery auto-response, even when Yahoo itself has been at fault and shut owners out of their own lists by mistake (it happens). >but here on >this list that kind of banter seems less frequent thank god... Well, we do have our rows. It's odd that biofuels can be such a contentious subject, but it certainly is one. Girl Mark (Maria Alovert) once remarked that she didn't know of another subject which attracted people of such different backgrounds (or words to that effect). I guess she's right. Even just in the US that's true (or some would say especially there), but biofuels is a global subject. There are plenty of Middle Easterners here, Arabs, Muslims from all over the world, plenty of right-wing Americans and other Westerners too, all with strong views on such subjects as oil supplies, which of course is very much on-topic here. For example. But all those people are welcome here, of course. Not always easy. Best Keith >my >website can be found on google simply search for ecogenics or go to >www dabney.com/ecogenics/... again thank you please keep the >suggestions coming well appreciate all the help we can get... > Marc.... > > > > > > > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By the way guys, I too asked a question.. I am confused by all >the > > >arguing back and forth as to which is the best and SAFEST method > > > to produce the methoxy Im leaning to a totally enclosed reactor > > >vessell I need to know by concensus which is the best one,,, > > > > I haven't seen much arguing back and forth. Paul proposed his > > water-based system, I critiqued it, which has happened a few times > > before. Basically, I can't see any point in adding water to a > > water-sensitive process, it just adds another variable. To each his > > own, as Paul and I usually end up telling each other. But I don't > > think that's the way to go for a newbie (you are a biodiesel >newbie, > > aren't you?). As for safety, well, look at what I said: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33499/ > > > > This is the best and safest way, and I think it's also the most > > popular way, as far as I can tell (I do have quite a good vantage > > point): > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix > > Mixing the methoxide > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth > > Methoxide the easy way > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methadd > > Adding the methoxide > > > > > although I have an extensive background in alternative fuels, I > > >am fairly new to biodiesel processing > > > > Have you made any yet? > > > > Best > > > > Keith Addison > > Journey to Forever > > > > > > >so I am asking you all for > > >the best possible advice in this matter.. > > > keep in mind that this facility will be dedicated to "Green job" > > >training programs...besides providing biodiesel at cost to our > > >community. > > >Ill be greatfull for unbiased and realtime advice on this safety > > >related issue.. > > > thanks > > > Marc-Ecogenics > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yahoo! 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