> You moved so quickly to find error with the sources that you completely > disregarded the argument itself.
Nah, nah, nah, nah homey. If the foundation is rotten the roof quickly collapses. Again, there is no valid argument than can be constructed on faulty data. You can try all you like, but all you'll end up doing is spending a lifetime shoring up walls and buttressing the ceilings to keep everything from caving in on you. Try firm ground for a change. It will save you and everyone boatloads of effort and grief. Happy Happy... Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Sanborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 > You moved so quickly to find error with the sources that you completely > disregarded the argument itself. I'll readily admit that there are some > seriously flawed pieces on that site, but if you look through the two > examples I mentioned you'll see a few perfect examples of > disinformation. The pictures were the important part on those specific > pages and for the most part the write up is spot on. I'll give Moore > credit, he is one of the best I've seen at using facts to lie. > > > wrestle precious hours away from far more productive endeavors, all to > > rehash erroneous allegations and falsehoods of intentional foundation. > > They aren't falsehoods, if you look at the quote I dropped in from > Michael Moore he actually admitted to at least one of those incidents > and the rest are very well documented. He's doesn't make documentaries, > he makes political propaganda. I don't have a problem with political > propaganda even, just as long as its honest and presented as such. He > lies, and presents his work as documentary which it isn't. > > I'm sitting here reading numerous posts of people saying this is the > best thing they've seen, etc, and I'd simply like them to at the very > least exercise a little more judgment. > > Randall Sanborn > > On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 11:10, Appal Energy wrote: > > Mr. Sanborn, > > > > Let's try a little honesty for a moment. I know that it might pain > > you. But > > give it a go just once. > > > > First of all, yes, you're correct. I do make point of "discredit[ing] > > the > > source[s]," especially when the "sources" you use are ripe with error. > > > > Second, when a person utilizes sources chucked full of error and > > disinformation as their foundation for argument, there is essentially > > no > > argument and no point or purpose in going 'round and 'round the > > mulberry > > bush as you would apparently like effect. > > > > Third, based upon the "sources" that you draw your "information" from, > > it is > > rather apparent that you're either an aspiring disinformatinalist or > > someone > > who siimply enjoys creating an atmosphere of argument. > > > > Fourth, in light of that, I'm afraid that you presume far too much in > > your > > expectancy that everyone (or anyone) drop everything that they're > > doing, > > wrestle precious hours away from far more productive endeavors, all to > > rehash erroneous allegations and falsehoods of intentional foundation. > > To > > what end? Certainly not in search of any truth. Or if so, only the > > "truth" > > as you care to interpret it. > > > > Do you really think that a book such as Al Franken's "Lies and the > > Lying > > Liars that tell them, A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" would > > have made > > it out of the batter's box if it was as full of liable and untruths as > > your > > "sources" claim? > > > > And in all honesty, anyone who deliberately assesses judgement on a > > present > > issue and/or film based upon an unrelated past issue is someone who is > > far > > more set upon a distorted conclusion than upon any conclusion > > predicated > > upon reality. > > > > Come to think of it, that practice is exactly what you're accusing > > another > > of. One can only presume, based upon your operating on such a double > > standard, that the rules that you would care to apply to others simply > > don't > > apply to you? > > > > Perahaps now you can see why you are so easily discounted? > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 > > > > > > I applaud your attempt to discredit the source rather than to make any > > attempt whatsoever to discredit the arguement or the premise itself. > > But > > here are some more reputable sources, irregardless of the fact that > > the site > > I linked had a number of reference sources. > > > > http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0422nra3.shtml > > > > And here is the link of how Moore edited hestons speech entirely and > > spliced > > the sentences to create an entirely new speech. > > > > http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html > > > > He has a link on there with the actual transcript, and you can throw > > in BFC > > if you want to check Moore's new version. And here is another > > anti-Moore > > link corraborating the Flint incident. I don't need a source for that > > though, slow down your DVD player and do it frame by frame. Moore puts > > together a sequence of scenes to make it look like Heston is in Flint > > immediately after the death of the little girl. He actually says "Just > > as he > > did after the Columbine shooting, Charlton Heston showed up in Flint, > > to > > have a big pro-gun rally." > > > > But, from: > > http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=859 > > "When I spoke to Moore last week, he confirmed Hardy's point about the > > date > > of the speech, but angrily denied the allegation that he had misled > > viewers." > > > > Moore actually admits the date was off. How does he get off saying he > > didn't try to mislead people. > > > > As for the civilian casualties, there are only a reported maximum of > > about > > 11,300 according to > > http://www.iraqbodycount.net > > Most of the deaths are by cluster bombs and the initial missile > > attacks. > > But go check out the database, those suicide and car bombers are > > killing > > more Iraqi's than americans. When you kill 30-100 people per bomb > > trying to > > get back at the American's, your seriously hurting your own people. > > Given > > the 325,000 killed in Vietnam and lets not forget the millions from > > WWII. I > > do not condone the civilian deaths, and I think we still have a long > > way to > > go, but war does have casualties, and I think there were significant > > improvements so far. > > > > Randall Sanborn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Yahoo! 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