Hello skeptics, The rejection letters for the hydrogen website seem a bit as far-fetched or understudied as the prospectus. These people say that they sell fueling stations from hydrogen collected from an outside source and that the fueling stations are the focus of their business plan. Since the number one problem with hydrogen collection (as I understand it) is the retention or storage process, then a collection system is a priority in forwarding a hydrogen-based fuel. However, if you have blown this person's cover with understanding "a fake premises" of material to be collected, then you are wise to do so. However, I don't see much discussion on the collection (storage) unit itself, which should be the real issue. Can anyone explain the collection (storage) design potential or any hydrogen collection/ storage design system?
Now, I do know two men who have invented generators that produce hydrogen from ocean wave energy and therefore are indirectly turning ocean water into hydrogen. There are also a number of legitimate competitors for ocean-wave generators. My friends can discuss their findings with potential associates. Their latest patent is co-funded by the State of Florida and underwent extensive investigation of the pilot project prior to funding. The two scientists who have developed these generators are highly recognized scientists/ physicists. One is a retired professor from the College of Public Health, University of South Florida who was previously on the Van Braun team as a Ph.D. physicist. His son, who is the generator specialist, is a NASA scientist. And yes, their generators do produce hydrogen from the energy of ocean waves. I can refer interested parties directly to their president for more information. Since I'm not sure just how much is proprietary in their research and development, you should ask your questions directly to the source. What they need at this time is affordable collection and storage units and they are willing to collaborate with any of you imaginative enthusiasts that can cooperate. Sooooo... who has a workable design for collection and storage? Best wishes, Peggy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source I went to their website to investigate. Just where do this people get their information? Who did the surveying of the "deposits"? It takes so much more to make a believer out of me. They can't even get their facts straight. Just see the attached messages below form Prof. Bob Allen and the others. It seems to me that these people are out to make "milking cows" out of poor Filipino overseas workers with the help of stupid govermnent officials who would readily sell their soul to the devil. These people make me sick. I hope they burn in h**l with deuterium gas. Just what is your part in this, Mr. Villaruz? Christopher From: George Smiley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:02 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] DEUTERIUM: Philippines' Economic Solutions To be polite, this is total crap, a variation on the old 'free energy from the hydrogen in water' scam. Besides being very rare and difficult to extract, deuterium electolyses, burns and in short has exactly the same chemical properties as ordinary hydrogen. Which is why it is hard to isolate. And heavy water is only a few percent heavier than ordinary water and doesn't stratify. Don't send these guys any money. ----Original Message----- From: Greg Harbican [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:44 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] DEUTERIUM: Philippines' Economic Solutions I agree. A tall tale for sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water Heavy water is dideuterium oxide, or D2O or 2H2O. It is chemically the same as normal water, H2O, but the hydrogen atoms are of the heavy isotope deuterium, in which the nucleus contains a neutron in addition to the proton found in the nucleus of any hydrogen atom. Semiheavy water, HDO, also exists. Gilbert Newton Lewis isolated the first sample of pure heavy water in 1933. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Production On Earth, heavy water occurs naturally in regular water at a proportion of roughly one part in 6,000. It may be separated from regular water by distillation or electrolysis. In each case the slight difference in molecular weight produces a slight difference in the speed at which the reaction proceeds. To produce pure heavy water a large cascade of stills or electrolysis chambers is required, and large amounts of electric power are consumed. I wonder were all the power is going to come from? Greg H. -----Original Message----- From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] DEUTERIUM: Philippines' Economic Solutions Deuterium has one proton and one neutron in the nucleus. Tritium , a beta emitter with a half-life of about 12.5 years, had two neutrons and one proton in the nucleus. Tritium is the hydrogen of a hydrogen bomb. Christopher wrote: >I don't mean to be suspicious but I wonder why the name of the proponent was >witheld? Another tall tale? > >If I remember it correctly, deuterium is NOT water without oxygen. Deuterium >is an isotope of hydrogen. A hydrogen atom would normally have a proton and >an electron only. Deuterium on the other hand has a proton, two neutrons and >an electron. HEAVY WATER would be water(H2O) that has one or two 3H nuclide >and an oxygen atom. > >Regards, > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistry http://ozarker.org/bob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of nbv Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source You are invited to participate in the constructive discussion forum of deuterium which may be available in Philippine Deep... http://dynatech.homeip.net/deuterium/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
