1. "reserves until they are depleted"
2. "pollutants can be separated"

Those two statements are greatly deserving of thought.

Steve Spence


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> I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much
> he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it .....
>
> Steve Spence
>
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Steve,

If its the UK you are referring to, how about their unused inferior coal
reserves until they are depleted? Laid-off coal miners would be happy
for
work again and pollutants can be separated from the stream BEFORE the
energy is consumed, unlike trying to capture pollants post combustion as
in conventional coal burning.

Try these links for more:
http://www.zeca.org/
http://www.princeton.edu/~chm333/2002/fall/co_two/minerals/zec.htm#_ftn4
http://www.aig.asn.au/News_2003/zero_emissions.htm

The above concept is just that...conceptual.
One article said the two disadvantages of using coal are:
1) transport and storage of the hydrogen after production-->this would
be
the case for any hydrogen production process that would be for vehicle
use, I suspect.

2) 'scarring' of the earth surface from surface mining ('open cast' for
the Europeans). This has largely become a non-issue when government
regulations are strictly enforced. First hand observation in Wyoming's
Powder River Basin and the Buelah area in North Dakota can attest to
that.

Ron B.
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>
> Guys, I discussed the issue of 'known oil reserves' with Ray Noble,
who
> is in charge of the UK's BP SOLAR Programme. I raised the issue that
the
> 'reserve window' kept expanding, ie when the oil companies were down
to
> 20-25 years 'known' reserves, all of a sudden they found more, and
> consequently the known reserve window expands to a new time horizon.
Ray
> acknowledged that this used to be the case but affirmed that all the
> major oil companies now knew where ALL the oil and gas was, and that
> there was no more to be found, it was simply a matter of how easy ,or
> how expensive it was going to be to extract from each reserve.
>  He then went on to affirm that, and I try to quote from memory, 'that
> BP does not expect to be selling petrol, diesel, or LPG on its station
> forecourts by 2035, it expects to be selling hydrogen.'.
>       I have absolutely no wish to upset this biodiesel fraternity,
> but note that he did not say to me that BP expects to be selling
> biodiesel. This was only a couple of years ago.....curious.
>
> Don Johnston
> Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
> Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group
>
> Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards
> 2002
>
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> Tel: 023 9283 4247

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