What about the gas starting kerosene running yifa engines. could they be run on biodiesel? and Can this technology be stepped up on a larger scale? Jeremy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Redler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratiocan be used with an unmodifyed engine ? > Thanks for the input. I wanted to show concern, but > not discouragement. I think Mark is asking a really > good question. > > A mixture of biofuels would effect dependance on one > or the other and I think it would be a great > achievement to develop a cost effective way to pull > this off. > > Mike > > --- "Pannir P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Micheal > > > > Several research have been carried out to mix > > Ethanol/Diesel , > > but not yet come well come to comercial scale. See > > the previous post > > here in this group to make microemulsion of ethanol > > and additives > > which need to be pure , not hydrated. > > With suitable additives which are very effective > > had been known > > , but are very costlier and biodeisel can be > > an additive to make > > possible the use ethanol to increase cetane > > number as reported in > > some patents , but only upto maximium 10 porcent. > > > > Several useful links can be seen in the old list > > of our group here > > as follows. > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > sd > > Pannirselvam P.V > > Brasil > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), Michael > > Redler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. > > But, > > > I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the > > > alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting > > > combustion. > > > > > > Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I > > > hope) it's not a serious concern. > > > > > > MikeR > > > > > > --- "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I was looking at the feasibility of adding a > > hybrid > > > > Ethanol injection > > > > system to > > > > An old Diesel VW rabbit. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an > > > > unmodified Diesel engine > > > > and run properly ? > > > > > > > > I was considering a CSI injection system into > > the > > > > manifold just before > > > > the intake valves. > > > > These are readily available at the auto Wreakers > > and > > > > easily > > > > controllable. > > > > I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it > > would > > > > allow higher > > > > Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. > > > > > > > > The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel > > at > > > > start and idle then > > > > increase the > > > > Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power > > is > > > > high. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net > > (searchable): > > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pagandai V Pannirselvam > > Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN > > Departamento de Engenharia Qu’mica - DEQ > > Centro de Tecnologia - CT > > Programa de P—s Gradua¨‹o em Engenharia Qu’mica - > > PPGEQ > > Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC > > > > Av. 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