Steve Sorry, I should have been more precise. No biodiesel available at the pump (yet) as in Europe and (now) the US. No commercial biodiesel plants known (two planned for Western Australia, including one from Camillo's stable). More than emough amateur and would-be commercial interest to kick start the whole thing, which is whats happening right now.
<<Josh Tickell, the motivator of this movement is in Australia. check out http://www.biodiesel.org.au/ - I'm a member and possibly one of the most active Sydney or national ones. http://www.veggievan.org>> - got the book, met the guy, made the 55-gal reactor. Moving on up from there... Steve Woolcott ----Original Message Follows---- From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:08:04 -0400 no biodiesel in Australia? Josh Tickell, the motivator of this movement is in Australia. check out http://www.biodiesel.org.au/ http://www.veggievan.org Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR > Camillo > > I was taught to have all the equipment and elements required be fully > prepared before starting the experiment. Additionally business has taught me > to explore all options before even spending my lunch money on equipment. The > moral of the story being, there is ALWAYS time (or time MUST be made) to > explore options before proceeding. > > If my information is correct substandard biodiesel has been detected in > these percentages in Europe for some time now - rushing out and buying a GC > instead of taking even a few days to explore an (apparently) easier and > cheaper option won't change history (I found links to dozens of commercially > available units in about twenty minutes). From my point of view, we have NO > biodiesel yet in Australia (there is a world outside Europe) and I will > spend as much time as I please looking at my options, and talking about them > on this forum. There's a planet dying too! Still no justification for > overlooking what is claimed to be a cheaper, less dangerous, less critical, > less destructive continuous method. I can of course see from your point of > view that it will become more difficult to sell your reactors if none of the > car makers will entertain BD usage, and that there is thus a real commercial > risk here for you. > > << Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to > provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard > using NIR>> > > Camillo, I already posted the links, some to the largest (most > sophisticated, if you must make things cpmlicated) equipment purveyors > around. I've BEEN to the 'lab equipment' shops. The internet IS my shopping > mall now. I bank on it, buy on it , research on it, socialise on it (and > therefore network on it). These 'shopkeepers' say they have a device that > can continuously and accurately monitor fast-reaction based industrial > processes including standard chemical and food processing - as I understand > it methyl ester production is an exceptionally common process for lots of > reasons, none of them fuel related. The caveat is that the NIR devices are > calibrated once only with a sample that is GC verified (or so they say). I > don't even know for sure that your machines produce biodiesel, but I believe > you when you say they do. The same applies to people who sell NIR machines. > > No one claimed NIR proves the fuel is to standard, anyway, even Keith. Its > only supposedly a way of more easily monitoring a process to ensure no real > deviation from a certain point (ie, the standard). > > Steve Woolcott > HarvestEnergy > Sydney Australia > > > > > > > Again: Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to > provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard > using NIR. > THEN you will probably be able to grasp my point. > > Camillo Holecek > > -----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > t.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Wooly . > Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2001 12:49 > An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR > > > Camillo > > <<Or are you using it successfully at present?>> > > No, I'm not using it at all. Just following up on Keith's enquiry as to > whether I'd found anything on NIR whilst looking for something else. If > you've proven it unuseful for the present thats a shame. On what basis? > > Steve > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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