RE: [biofuels-biz] wish i had more time...

[Dick Carlstein]

if the list moderator cannot tolerate views different from his, his comments will be biased.   keith's slurs as regards my personal integrity are proof of such a biased attitude.   i hold that a moderator should remain in the background, and not seek the limelight, which is unfortunately not the case with this list.    i was invited to join this list. i will now proceed to invite myself out.   all the best to all list members, as well as the list 'owner'.   in mead, veritas. dick.    ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] wish i had more time... >Hi Keith > >In fairness (or due to my fuzzy memory) I have to ask, did Dick actually say >this (my inverted commas)? > ><<Such ideas, if you can call them that, >as that there's "no need for standards">> > >I thought he just didn't like the ones around now, and wanted to make up his >own. > >Steve Hi Steve In a sense, yes, but his standards are really just rule-of-thumb checks, not anything a car manufacturer could work with, for instance. But he says that type of standard is just "posturing" and counter-productive. "so i propose we stop posturing regarding standards, some of which, like cetane, cannot be readily measured without a lab ic engine.   "instead, let's concentrate on simple means of giving our biofuels a practical clean bill of health, using language that the layman can understand." Essentially stuff of use to backyarders, and most useful too, as are backyarders. (The guy keeps referring me to the checks that I provided!!) But it's a different ballgame, eh? It's quite obvious that it has to be done both ways, from both angles - from all angles. And so on and on. I think Paddy hit the button in the first place. What it probably boils down to is that WVO is junk because Dick's processor can't handle it, and that standards are junk because Dick's processor doesn't do washing and even with virgin oil the product probably won't meet the standards, any of them. For own-use, fine - but you might do better with a good old 55-gallon drum, at a fraction of the cost, and produce a better product from a much wider range of feedstock. For this we should ignore the possibility that VW could withdraw its biodiesel guarantees in Europe, and possibly elsewhere? I'm sure you're going the right way. It is possible for small-scale operators to produce high-quality biod, there's plenty of evidence of that, from a wide variety of available feedstocks, virgin or used, and to be sure of meeting all standards requirements through shared testing facilities, as you propose. It will take some work, but it can be done, I'm sure it will done - it has to be done, and this kind of specious claptrap doesn't help. Any more of it and I'll put master Dick under moderation, or worse, as I really haven't got time to vet people's messages, and it shouldn't be necessary. Regards Keith Addison ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.