Mike, I understand your position but I must still disagree with the method being employed to reach the goal.
Todd, I must agressively disagree with your perception. As someone who has been there gone through the enlistment process and served for 21 years. I know what goes on inside. I agree that a military recruiter will paint as "rosey" a picture of service as possible, but no one has to volunteer. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to enlist/accept a commision. It is interesting the much of the activism against the Military is located at "Institutions of Higher Learning" were discourse and discussion is supposted to be applauded, but the military which defends those rights are not allowed to have free expression. I am sure that every job/position/employment you accepted was "void of manipulation". The only difference would be that you could simply leave. To enter military service and then say, I dont want to go there! or I don't want to do that! is simply childish selfcenterdness (sp). Protest the Government, Protest its policies, Work through your elected officials, but protesting a member wearing a Military uniform is dishonorable and violates that individuals right to free speech. Larry On 6/3/05, Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry, > > Military recruitment/recruiters are as much a part of the problem as are > the policy makers. > > All one has to do is look at the deceptive, predatory and intimidating > practices of recruitment to gain insight as to the manipulative > mentality that must be well guarded against in all ranks/levels of a > theoretically free society. > > Until recruitment practices across the board are void of manipulation, > they are as much fair game for protest as is anyone or any segment of > any institution that also manipulates, preys upon and deceives a > nation's citizenry. > > Let those who wish to serve enter into service under no illusions, not > under fog of promise or incomplete and/or inaccurate premise(s). > > Todd Swearingen > > >Mike, > > I agree that anyone should be allowed to PEACEFULLY protest, but I > >find it disturbing that individuals would protest military recruiters > >on college campuses(sp). I am retired military and feel a strong bond > >with our military. > > Feel free to protest the administrations positions/policies, but > >protesting military recruitment is dishonoring those who place their > >lives on the line in defence of the freedoms we enjoy each day. > >Military personnel are following the orders of "elected" civilian > >officials. Military personnel do not have the latitude to dissent > >(unless those orders are unlawful). > > > > If students, teacher, or other professionals want to protest the > >government, then protest against the government, not the Military > >which is following the orders of the Government which was elected by > >those students, teachers, and/or professionals. > > > >Larry > > > >On 6/2/05, Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Every once in a while, there is some good news about those who struggle > >>against the current administration and their policies. Since we touch on the > >>crisis in this forum, I thought some of you might be a little encouraged by > >>this small victory. > >> > >>Mike > >>_________________________________________ > >> > >>DISTRICT ATTORNEY DROPS CHARGES AGAINST THE "CITY FOUR" > >>CITY COLLEGE STAFF MEMBER TO DEFEND HERSELF IN STEP II HEARING > >> > >>At a peaceful protest against military recruitment on the City College of > >>New York (CCNY) campus on March 9, 2005, campus security arrested three > >>students and a staff member, and beat two of the students, and the college > >>President, Gregory Williams, suspended the protesters without any > >>investigation or hearing. Williams broadcast a statement claiming that all > >>were guilty and that the College wouldn't tolerate "violence." But after a > >>month's suspension, all four returned to the College when the charges were > >>dropped. On May 19, the District Attorney (DA) moved to dismiss the charges > >>within 6 month's time through an Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal > >>(ACD). > >> > >>Clearly, there was no evidence to try the four. The massive outpouring of > >>support for the "City Four" and the outrage at City College's attempt to > >>stifle dissent has helped return the four to their rightful place in the > >>College community, where they will continue to organize against military > >>recruitment on campus. > >> > >>Carol Lang, the Theater Department's secretary, still faces disciplinary > >>charges at a Step II hearing at 10 AM on Thursday, June 2, at the > >>University's Central Office, 535 E. 80th St. (at York Avenue). A strong show > >>of support for Carol is important to remind CCNY that the charges against > >>her are unfounded and that she is entitled to receive back pay for days she > >>was wrongfully forced to miss work. Lang should not lose pay or be punished > >>for charges that, according to the DA, have no merit. > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): > >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >> > >>Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: > >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
