Cliff, we are all here to discuss & learn. Do not be afraid to state a view that is not widely held. It is only by airing these views that we can either be convinced by you, or you by us to lead a better, more peaceful existence.
regards Doug (an Aussie...) On Sunday 28 August 2005 2:17, Clif Caldwell wrote: > Hello Keith, > As I am fairly new to this list I should have done some achive research > before posting. My bad ..... > You obviously have spent quite some time arguing your opinion on these > political issues. I have not. I spoke from my convictions not from my > expertise. > > As far as /trolling/ I must admit I am unfamiliar with this term. I > assume it has to do with a certain type of behavior on mailing lists or > in chat rooms. Since I have very little experience in either arena I > will do my best not to do this in the future. > > I may not be the brightest bulb in the box but I do learn. From now on I > will allow these political issues and religious issues to be discussed > here without my input. With my somewhat limited verbal sparring skills > and my deep seated convictions I would simply get in the way of > /meaningful /discussions. Is this "penitent" enough for you ? > > The unanimously vehement reaction to my comments speaks volumes. Thanks > for the education. It is all your's. I don't mind a good fight but why > bother ..... > > I will limit my discussions to areas I know even less about, namely > building my first biodiesel processor. > > Have at it. > > Signing off from this thread and any other remotely related threads. > > With warm (occassionally very warm) regards, > Clif > > Keith Addison wrote: > >Hello Clif > > > >>Keith Addison wrote: > >>>My my. And I was just thinking you might be a man who'd do a bit of > >>>checking before he shot his foot off. Again. I do rather wonder what > >>>you mean when you say "right here in America" when actually where you > >>>are right now is right here on the global Internet, on a global > >>>discussion group with a global membership that includes many Muslims > >>>living in Muslim countries, who are probably more aware than you are > >>>of calls from your country - calls and deeds done - to kill them and > >>>their leaders. But that doesn't count, does it? It does here. If you > >>>want outrage over the coverage of the war in Iraq you'll find it > >>>aplenty, but you won't like it - it's outrage at the unquestioning, > >>>knee-jerk coverage your so-called "liberal" press (ROFL!!!) gave to > >>>the pack of blatant lies that led unfailingly to everything and > >>>everybody getting torn to pieces in Iraq (as most of us predicted at > >>>the time), including your precious military, and every single promise > >>>broken. > >> > >>Guilty as accused concerning not backing up my statements. I have > >>remedied this in another post. > > > >Well, you haven't given Fred any work, each and every one of your > >refs has been debunked many times before and it's all in the archives. > > > >"In Iraq, we're not fighting for ourselves," said Bean, from his home > >base in Fort Campbell, Ky. "We're over there fighting so the Iraqis > >can have their own Fourth of July." > > > >LOL! Yeah, it's not funny, but black humour's a survival trait these days. > > > >>And guilty as accused as writing from a > >>decidingly US perspective. I have traveled extensively including > >>performing tsunami relief (as a civilian paying my own way) in Banda > >>Aceh, Indonesia (90+ % Isalmic). Please understand that I have cried > >>with, struggled with and even prayed with Muslims and Christians all > >>over the world. (I have carried out humanitarian efforts in Central and > >>South America and Jordan also.) Unfortunately I was not as sensitive as > >>I should have been to all the readers of this list. > >> > >>I am a former officer in the USAF > > > >So you keep saying. > > > >>so perhaps I do have a fondness for > >>the fine, exceedingly capable and patriotic men and women serving to > >>protect and defend a country > > > >Americans are inclined to be VERY careful about seeming to criticise > >that, most will pay it due obeisance. But most people here are not > >Americans and can be expected to treat it as the false sacred cow > >that it is. Again, please see the archives, we've had Purple > >Heart-winning US vets arguing with each here before this. So you > >might as well stop saying it, it doesn't secure you any high ground. > > > >>I personally feel is a pretty good place > >>to live. > >> > >>Perhaps I am living under some delusions and if that is the > >>case then I'm sure someone will try to correct the errors of my ways. > >> > >>Thanks for the input. I will give it some thought. > >> > >>Just a guy sorting things out, > > > >I wonder. I think you're trolling. You slip in and lay some > >flame-bait, it duly raises noise and distraction, then you're all > >penitent about it, and then you do it again, twice so far. I'm not > >convinced by your penitence this time, and there won't be a third > >time. > > > >Keith Addison > >Journey to Forever > >KYOTO Pref., Japan > >http://journeytoforever.org/ > >Biofuel list owner > > > >>Clif > >> > >>>>Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out > >>>>how to titrate WVO correctly. > >>>>At the risk at attracting perhaps merited flames ...... > >>>>Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? > >>>>Have you heard one positive story on NPR or anywhere else ? > >>>>Where is the outrage at the fine work Michael Moore and numerous others > >>>>are doing at peddling lies ? > >>>>Where is the outrage when fine mothers, sisters, sons and fathers who > >>>>are proud of the service their sons and daughters are offering in the > >>>>Armed Services are not given any voice and one heartbroken mother is > >>>>given weeks of press coverage because she is against the war in Irag ? > >>>>And finally a point that may need some attention by the "Men of God" > >>>>judicatory committee on this list : > >>> > >>>What exactly do you mean by that? > >>> > >>>>Where is the outrage at allowing Muslim clerics right here in America > >>>> to daily call for the UTTER destruction of not only Americans who > >>>> believe that Allah may not be the way, but also any other infidels? > >>>> > >>>>All I'm saying is that I for one feel compelled to be very conscious > >>>> of my own "blind spots" as I am chief among those who can stand only > >>>> by grace ..... > >>>> > >>>>Just a thought to further take this list into a land far away from > >>>>renewable energy sources. > >>> > >>>It is not far away from renewable energy sources. I think you should > >>>read this carefully, since it looks as if you haven't already done so: > >>> > >>>http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 > >>>5-May/000007.html > >>>Or: > >>>http://snipurl.com/gi45 > >>> > >>>Best wishes > >>> > >>>Keith > >>> > >>>>In need of clarity, > >>>>Clif > >>>> > >>>>TarynToo wrote: > >>>>>Amen Robert! > > > ><snip> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
