> Lol, Todd, I think you're projecting everything that's wrong w/ american > mass commercialism onto one uhm..."sport?"
Actually? I'm just projecting a lot of what's wrong with American/western mass commercialism in general - the avarice, the excess and the galaxial wide chasm between the have-nots who provide for the haves. And I am serious about petrol-dollars being the US' #1 export and how that process has come to pervert life in general on a global scale. Edward Abbey has it right. "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell." Game over! at this rate. Over for everyone. Todd Swearingen Evergreen Solutions wrote: > Lol, Todd, I think you're projecting everything that's wrong w/ > american mass commercialism onto one uhm..."sport?" I'm not a race > fan, don't get me wrong, and I see your point regarding the infinite > paradox of american government, but I think quite quickly we could > pass the same judgement on probably 90% of all products offered > towards the 3-35 age bracket. > > I mean, soccer is great, but lots of very nice soccer balls are made > by some very unfortunate children in Nigeria. > > Americans love clothes, too bad we don't love the Bangladeshi folks > who make them: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8243331/ > > Dogs are great, but apparently we like skinning them for profit: > http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlife_news/eu_considers_comprehensive_ban_on_the_cat_and_dog_fur_trade.html > > > And don't even get me started on all the illegal things we do w/ our > telecommunications bounty that would possibly put us in line for a > wiretap (online poker, anyone?), but simply enough this message will > probably be quickly overviewed by echelon, predator, or carnive before > you even read it. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN.... > http://compnetworking.about.com/od/internetaccessbestuses/l/aa120400a.htm > > Good point though. :) > > > On 12/24/05, *Appal Energy* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Actually, > > It's not the racing vehicles themselves that are so polluting as it is > the balance of the industry. > > Think about all the billions of miles logged by race fans to go see > their superheros every race weekend or bubblegum card signing. Think > about all the millions of metric tons of cheap plastic crap, > u-h-h-h-e-m-m-m, "memorabilia," that is cranked out for consumers to > adorn their environs with. Think about all the energy used to mine and > manufacture all that crap. Then think about all the energy used to > transport it. Then think about all the energy consumed to go > purchase it > or is used in all the other supportive sectors of that industry. > > Tired of thinking yet? The energy equation goes far beyond how many > gallons get churned up by a bevy of bubbas every weekend. > > So you see, supporting racing supports fossil fuel consumption, > which in > turn increases the United States #1 export - cash in the form of > petrol > dollars. And many of those petrol-dollars help fund endeavors that > are > counter to the best interests of the US. > > All that makes racing a rather unpatriotic and un-American endeavor. > Pursuing such folly in turn makes a race fan candidate for NSA > monitoring and perhaps eventual internment as an enemy combatant, > thereby having no recourse, legal or otherwise, but to rot in the > musty > dungeons of the super riche until one's flesh rots off while they > enjoy > daily tea and crumpets on the ninth fairway. > > No better reason not to wear a baseball cap with a number on it if > you > ask me. > > Todd Swearingen > > Happy Humbug... :-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Well I am not against racing, but my point is if these > researchers look > >at the racing starting from F1 down to Nascar the picture is not > rosy. > > > >As you have written in your e-mail F1 team burns a lot (200.000lt > per year > >per team). So if you add them all its more than a drop in the > bucket. > >Let's hope that the technology developped in those races reflects > to the > >daily cars. > > > >If you consider that bikes are 4 strokes, fuel injected and have > catalytic > >converters, they can be a good solution to help with clogging > cities and > >air pollution. > > > >I believe the better solution in the big cities would be public > >transportation, and electric vehicles. Lets hope they would also > research > >the effect of using biofuel in busses as public transportation. > > > >Regards > > > >Burak > > > > > > > > > >>Burak_l wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>And finally I hope they do not research how much is waisted in > car races > >>>like formula-1, Lemans endurance etc... > >>>Those machines are loud and very very thirsty. Probabily one > of them > >>>during > >>>1 race pollutes more than a typical rider > >>>can manage whole year. > >>> > >>> > >>With regard to racing, it isn't that black and white. > >> > >>First, you seem to be conflating wasting resources (eg burning > lots of > >>fuel) with the amount of pollution produced. They aren't > necessarily the > >>same thing. You can burn 10 liters dirtily or you can burn 100 > liters > >>cleanly - they are different issues. > >> > >>Second, even if a single team in a single race uses more fuel or > >>pollutes more that a single private individual in an entire > year, you're > >>still comparing (for F1) 10 teams (2 cars each) by 19 races to > millions > >>of riders/drivers every day over the course of a year. You're > talking > >>about a drop in the bucket. > >> > >>On the plus side, racing drives innovation. Consider the FSI engine > >>technology Audi developed for the their R8 LMP (LeMans > Prototype) car. > >>Now you can buy lean burning FSI powered cars at Audi dealers. > >> > >>Likewise, the brand new Audi R10 LMP has a V12 TDI powerplant > that gets > >>over a 100 hp per liter. That kind of performance out of > reliable diesel > >>is amazing. An I expect those advances in diesel technology will > show up > >>in VW and Audi dealerships within 5 or 6 years. > >> > >>Racing also has the ability to prove to people that renewables > aren't > >>just some crunchy granola lefty tree-hugger pipedream. Demonstrating > >>that renewables can perform is critical in the PR battle with > the oil > >>lobby. > >> > >>For example, the IndyRacingLeague - and thus by default, the > Indy500 - > >>is switching from methanol to renewable ethanol for the 2007 season. > >>That's a huge win for renewables. > >> > >>As mentioned above, the Audi factory team is running a diesel > powered > >>LMP in ALMS this year, although I suspect Audi will be using > >>petrodiesel, at least to start. However, that won't be the only > diesel > >>in ALMS this season - D1 Oils plc is sponsoring a biodiesel > powered Lola > >>LMP that will run b5, b20 and b50 blends. > >> > >>But yes, on the negative side, racing does waste resources. > According to > >> formula1.com <http://formula1.com>, "During a typical season a > Formula One team will use > >>over 200,000 litres of fuel for testing and racing." That's a > lotta fuel. > >> > >>And don't get me started about the the fact that NASCAR still uses > >>leaded gasoline. > >> > >>Still, I think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water and > >>having an emotional reaction to a study you don't like. > >> > >>Small displacement motorcycles don't burn cleanly and pollute a > lot. > >>Acknowledge that fact and move on with your life. Don't try to > justify > >>it by pointing fingers at someone else. 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