Re: [Biofuel] "Quackbuster" Busted in Court

Kirk McLoren Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:05:58 -0800

Certainly more bruxation should increase release but I think what is chewed may be more significant. I noticed a spinach salad left my amalgam fillings shiny and new appearing and sheep or other farm animals seldom eat spinach salads. Since the fillings were "cleaned" I think a lot of material was ingested. Perhaps it was the oxalic acid in the spinach. I know health advocates recommend spinach be cooked with milk and not eaten raw as they claim oxalic acid is turned into calcium oxalate by the process thus negating most of the harmful effects.

Kirk

allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

the subject at hand: is there evidence to support the claim that dental
amalgams are poisoning people, and have been for a century. I suggested
that their is scant evidence to support the claim. I'm not saying that
it isn't a reasonable hypothesis. I am being neither quarrelsome nor
blind, and I certainly don't intend to obfuscate. If it was my use of
literary directives that confuse you, I apologize. Also, I am not trying
to dominate an argument, nor hide the truth, but rather find it.

I checked your reference and indeed there are numerous peer reviewed
works cited. good. I will take them one at a time as to what I can
glean from them. I will focus only on those that relate to toxic effects
of dental amalgam. A bunch of them address the broader issue of Hg in
the environment, or other forms of Hg which as noted have wildly
different toxicities.

"Dental Mercury Impairs Kidney Function"

certainly you want to lead with strong data. This is a good paper, the
data used controls and showed that over the short term- 60 days -that
there were minor changes in kidney function, which could be explained by
the mercury interfering with tubular reabsorption.

However, it was also noted that : "Concentrations of K, urea,
Y-glutamyl transpeptidase, alkaline phosphatase, and total protein did
not change significantly form (sic)0 to 60 days in urine. Plasma levels
of Na, K, urea, and albumin remained unchanged form 0 to 60 days after
amalgam. Renal histology remained normal in amalgam-treated animals. It
is concluded that amalgam Hg levels in kidney are sufficient to
significantly reduce the rate of inulin clearance by non defined
mechanisms and that electrolyte patterns in urine are consistent with
impaired renal tubular reabsorption.

Could one extend this result to humans, and over a much longer period of
time? I bet the Hg release is greatest after initially installing the
amalgam and decreases steadily over time to reach some steady state- is
that release significant? the study has it limits. Another important
factor is sheep chew a heck of a lot more than people. The bruxation
surely causes release of more mercury than would be observed in non-cud
chewers.

Dental Mercury Provokes an Increase in Oral and Intestinal Floras

What this paper says is that low concentrations of Hg result in Hg
resistant bacteria in vivo. No surprise there. The authors then go on
to say the risk is that antibiotic resistant genes may share the same
plasmid as the gene for Hg resistance. Hence stimulation of Hg
resistance may increase the transmission of antibiotic resistance in
various microflora.

It would seem easy enough to examine the microflora of those with and
without dental amalgams, and compare levels of antibiotic resistance.

more later.

irk McLoren wrote:
>
> * *
> *vide. *"Look" or "see." This phrase refers the reader to an earlier
> statement or definition within the body of
> the essay. The must common uses are "*vide *63" (which means "see page
> sixty-three"), *v.s/. vide supra/*
> ("see earlier" or "look above on this page") and *v.i. /vide infra
> /*("See below" or "Look below"). Don't
> confuse v.s. (/vide supra/) with vs. (/versus/).
>
>
> You asked for references
> amalgam.org has a plethora of published references.
> Are you blind or just quarrelsome? Obfuscation does not become you.
> Dominating an argument is obviously more important than the truth to you.
> How sad especially in light of your position of authority with the youth.
>
> Kirk
>
>
> */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Howdy Kirk,
>
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > We find that there is a lot of concern about mercury and burning
> coal
> > yet you advocate a mercury source that is much more concentrated
> as not
> > a demonstrable health problem.
>
> Environmental releases of Hg is not where we started. I agree whole
> heartedly with you. I have done research on environmental Hg (one of my
> project favorites- My students and I got to go fishing for sunfish,
> then
> we analyzed the flesh for mercury content- but that is another story)
>
> let's try to keep to our discussion. My response to you was to two
> claims you made:
>
> " So what do other dentists think that are outside the liability issue
> if American dentists ever admit they have poisoned people for a century"
>
> and
>
> "In Germany ,for example, you would lose your license to practice
> dentistry if you put "silver" fillings in someones mouth (mercury
> amalgam"
>
>
> all I suggested is that I find no support in the literature for your
> claims- so give me some proof- if dental amalgams are really poisoning
> people for so long, then surely their is some epidemiological evidence.
> As to German Law- any Europeans out there to direct us to relevant
> legalese?
>
>
>
>
> You need to see what is wrong with your
> > search engine Bob. You only seem to find politically correct
> authorities
> > to quote.
>
> I used as my source the world health organization, in addition to other
> national/ international organizations.
>
> Could you please direct me to better data sources then, but please no
> testimonials. Remember we are talking about data that supports your
> claim that dental amalgam has (Hg) has been poisoning people, not that
> metallic mercury can be converted in the environment to dimethyl
> mercury
> which is several orders of magnitude more toxic.
>
>
>
> >
> > Since as in any trial we can find "experts" to vouch for any
> position I
> > suggest we use a modicum of logic and ask ourselves if the EPA is
> full
> > of fertilizer in labeling amalgam as hazardous waste.
>
> different question entirely
>
>
> Are you aware that
> > the Great lakes mercury control program identifies dental amalgam
> waste
> > from drains a major source of toxicity in the lakes?
> > Since you are a chemist you might like http://www.amalgam.org/
>
> vide supra
> >
> > Kirk
>
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