I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. 

The financial numbers just don't work. 

My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far)
        45 mpg @ City Driving 
        55 mpg @ 60 mph 
        50 mpg @ 75 mph 
        
        My cost is (City)    $2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
        My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
                Average        5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving)

My neighbors Prius gets
        55 mpg @ City Driving 
        51 mpg @ 60 mph  

           Cost is (City)    $2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
           Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
                Average        4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving)        
                Plus Battery Deprecation  
                8 year/100k miles/$7000 
                                $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile 

        Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles 
                

Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes:
http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html
Diesel  = 1.036 euro/Liter 
Petro(95)       = 1.209 euro/Liter 

Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal)
Diesel =  1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal 
Petro  =  1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal 

My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far)
        45 mpg @ City Driving 
        55 mpg @ 60 mph 
        50 mpg @ 75 mph 
        
        My cost is (City)    $4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
        My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 =  8.5 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
                Average        9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving)

My neighbors Prius gets
        55 mpg @ City Driving 
        51 mpg @ 60 mph  

           Cost is (City)    $5.45/60 =  9.0 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
           Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
                Average        9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving)        
                Plus Battery Deprecation  
                8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330
                                $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile 

        Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles 


In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a
hybrid. 

Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. 
My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. 
My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. 
My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are
doing good. 

Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say
VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for
interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. 

Mark 



Andrew Netherton wrote:

>I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment 
>if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our 
>cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America.
>
>Andrew Netherton
>

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