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>
>      By using one step  simultaneous  extraction and
> >esterification , the patented process use crushed seeds  to make
> >four products , the BioD , the glycerol , the protein, carbohydrate
> >that seem to deintoxicated for animal feed  is now being   scaled up
> >to big pilot plant.
>
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>
>I interpreted this to mean that the crushed seeds are subjected to the
>alkali catalyst/methanol hence the seedcake is exposed to the reaction.
>  I've seen papers other papers discuss simultaneous extraction/reaction
>with soya bean flakes. the problem was that much more methanol is need
>to extract the oil during the processing into biodiesel, partly due to
>the moisture content of the beans.

I'm sure you're right Bob, I have several of those papers. Good 
explanation, sorry I didn't get it first time. I was looking at other 
information to check where the ricin was. Thanks!

Keith

>Keith Addison wrote:
> >> Ricin is a protein which would be denatured by the reaction conditions.
> >>  Denaturation just means changing the shape of the protein, thus
> >> inactivating it.   Same as hard boiling an egg more or less.
> >
> > Thanks Bob. But I think the ricin doesn't get into the oil, it's in
> > the husk, and thus in the seedcake.
> >
> > I see James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin,
> > a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can
> > safely be fed to livestock."
> > Ricinus communis, "Handbook of Energy Crops", James A. Duke, 1983
> > http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html
> >
> > Maybe they just hard-boil the seedcake.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Re the high viscosity:
> >
> >>>>   Brazil has 20 years of good research reports about castor oil use
> >>>> as biofuel , which we have the acess .One main problem with castor
> >>>> oil BioD is the viscosity that can be easily solved.
> >>> That seems to be the main problem. Castor oil is 100 times more
> >>> viscous than petro-diesel. Castor oil biodiesel is less viscous than
> >>> the straight oil, but several references say it is still higher than
> >>> the national standards specification limits. If there is an easy way
> >>> to make it less viscous or to solve the problem that would be
> >>> valuable to know.
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any further information on this?
> >>>
> >>> This is quite interesting on how castor oil works as a lubricant and
> >>> why it's different to other oils:
> >>> http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm
> >>> CASTOR OIL
> >
> > Castor oil has good lubricity, I wonder if castor oil biodiesel have
> > better lubricity than others. Maybe that could offset the viscosity
> > problem. More and more places are following the French and specifying
> > biodiesel as a lubrication additive in LS diesel fuel. If it had
> > better lubricity you'd need to use less, and the high viscosity
> > wouldn't matter at such a low percentage. Which is where I grind to a
> > halt because the difference between lubricity and viscosity isn't
> > that clear, or at least not to me, especially when you add high
> > temperatures. Anyone know better?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > <snip>


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