Hi Doug,
 
I've used a mixture of soap and isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) with good results.  This mixture is a contact poison that only works while wet.  That means you actually have to get the spray on to the beasties and repeated applications are usually necessary.  I would suggest is that you reduce the liquid soap to about 1 to 2 tbsp (15 - 30ml) and add 1 cup of alcohol - don't know if methanol will work.  The alcohol helps to get rid of the hard bodied bugs; you know, the ones that work out regularly.  Good Luck
 
    Doug
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of lres1
Sent: June 19, 2006 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
 
Summary.
1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.
 
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Finch
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

Jim,

Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I have.  Works great.

Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that for a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.

fred

On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Robert,
I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup
lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you
hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea sounded
good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys
whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you
think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them
and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product
screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.  I
suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to
the single point missing everything else.
Jim

robert and benita rabello wrote:

>Chris Lloyd wrote:
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>>Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught
>>out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
>>supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smelt
>>good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding
>>chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of it
>>but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
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>    I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to
>kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
>responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once, and since then
>I've relied on my own compost.  My trees are happier (though I'm STILL
>have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have in
>the past.
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