Greetings Hakan, my friend.
Apologies for misleading
you. And salams to Keith and co also. I don't hold any of those views on
either Jews or Germans, I was merely jerking Fritz's chain. And I'm not
American, I'm a dumb Irish Mick whose family land was taken by English
settlers back in the 1600s since when we have wandered the earth as
dispossessed people. At least that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. In
fact if the British hadn't existed we Irish would have had to invent them to
excuse our own shortcomings.
And thanks to Fritz for the btselem url (a Hebrew word meaning "in our own
image" whichs says it all) and to Keith for the superb backgrounder. I went
to Israel in a fit of journo curiosity in the '73 war, naively thinking I
could write it up in a way that would be acceptable to all sides (I told you
I was a dumb Mick). For this debate the best I could manage is the
superficial sketch of humanitarian disasters which I posted separately
before reading Hakan's post.
Will try to avoid irony in future but remember I'm just a landless Gael
(well a couple of acres of paradise in New Zealand hardly counts).
Bob.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Bob,
I have a lot to do and have been silent for a
while, but this I have to comment.
It was clearly under the belt and very
insensitive and outright dumb, especially form an
American. US do have their own racism and the
internment of Americans with Japanese decent
during WWII is nothing to be proud of, not to
talk about the racism and prosecution of black
people, this still in more recent times. Your
comments says more about you than about Fritz.
It was very few Germans who knew about what was
going on, most knew about internment, but very
few about the final solution and even fewer that
was involved in it. In fact it was very few that
ever read "Mein Kampf " and had reasons to
suspect anything like the final solution. They
knew about the interment as the Americans knew
about their own internment of Japanese Americans
also. The final solution was set in practise by a
few and when the German population were more occupied by the war.
You are also talking about taking personal
responsibility for forefathers and then you are
personal responsible for the Japanese internment
and prosecution of black people also.
Hakan
At 05:09 20/07/2006, you wrote:
>Hello Bob
>
>I think you should check your beliefs.
>
>http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2921
>'Because This Is the Middle East'
>
>http://snipurl.com/pg9x
>Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
>3 Jun 2004
>
>Keith
>
>
> >Yo Fritz,
> >Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears
> >killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of
> >us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job.
> >Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and
> >Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need
> >to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and
> >move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian
> >clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli
> >settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After
> >it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their
> >Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western
> >countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage
> >collection systems for us.
> >Good one, Fritz,
> >Bob.
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