Throughout my life, growing up, initially ignoring the news like most children, then paying more attention and then eventually learning of media control and being disgusted and so again ignoring, and then returning and watching it as a propaganda source and as an indicator of where control is being exercised has been a gradual process of unfolding for me.  But there through it all has been a voice I have often heard.  One of the quieter voices that sometimes gets a chance at the microphone but generally not, is the voice that keeps saying there are those who promote war.  War is needed. War is what sustains some element of the warped western society. That voice is ringing in my head now and I wonder where the next conflict will spring up.  It is true. I guess the situation in Iraq has turned into one where the US is spending more than it wants to and using too many of it's own weapons because it has to.  It only makes sense that a conflict needs to happen elsewhere where weapons need to be used up which are bought and paid for and replaced with new ones which are bought and paid for.  Where will the next cash cow be? Can anyone guess?

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
It appears Bush has at least 3 motives for war.
1. OIL
2. support of radical right "Christianity" and their "end time" views thus their support of war.
3. Support of his allie Israel which wants his support for their expansionism. His father when director of CIA furthered this by CIA bankrolling Murdoch so he could purchase all the media which we see is now pro Israel.
News reporting is not what they do. CONsensus forming is what they do.
Basically it seems oil ambitions have joined expansionist ambitions.Perhaps they are not so separate.
 
There may be another factor as well in the alliance.
Both George Bush and Barbara Pierce Bush (of Merrill, Lynch, Pierce, Fenner and Smith) are descended from the same Pierce family of England as President Franklin Pierce. Originally known as the enormously powerful Percy family of England, a name change to Pierce was required along with a quick immigration to America, when their involvement in the failed Gun Powder Plot to blow up Parliament became known. One of the Percy castles, where this plot was hatched was known as Sion House.
Other notable Bush relatives include the Grosvenor families of England and America, and the Taft family of Ohio. The Grosvenors of England are the Dukes of Westminster who own the most substantial properties in the City of London --- the banker's capital. Of over 100,000 acres of Grosvenor property, most is in the financial district of London! In America, the Grosvenors founded Nation Geographic. National Geographic is known for sweeping down on the archeological treasures of the world, especially those of a religious significance, and spiriting them away to the Smithsonian Institute, controlled by their cousins the Smithsons, also descended from the Percys. Imposing false interpretations on religious finds is very important to the House of Sion.
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Exercise caution when researching on the Internet as there is lots of misinformation but you can sometimes get leads from sites if nothing else. Takes some sifting but the stories are often colorful. Most of the pillars of society are scoundrels and worse. History books  -- old history books to be more accurate - are interesting sources. Most modern ones are sanitized.
 
Kirk
 
PS Harriman is also in the Bush family tree. I think that is the Harriman of Brown bros and Harriman -bankers
 
Mike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The caption under his picture reads "Former President Jimmy Carter says that Bush has encouraged Israel and Hezbollah to attack."

Absolutely.

1.) Fabricated provocation of war by Hezbollah through selective recollection of the events.
2.) Reports of Iranian fighters killed in Lebanon
3.) Intense media coverage by FOX to raise sympathy for Israel's government
4.) Increased media coverage by FOX of Iranian saber rattling by it's leadership.
5.) Continued media coverage by FOX of suspicious activities in Syria.

So, what do you think of a U.S. state department campaign for a war against Iran, starting with a proxy war against Lebanon, then Syria? In my opinion, Bush is capable of anything and although I hesitated to speculate, I also don't put it past him or some of the religious zealots running the federal government to execute such a radical plan.

Mike

fox mulder wrote:
his over all view is that he is sickened by the    
pictures he sees, on sky news every hour, of burned  and maimed babies and children. the double standard of  the countries like UK and USA is apparent.  Please listen to the former president Carter who is an  intellectual not lunatic like Bush.      Source: cnn  http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/05/carter.mideast.ap/    
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