Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gregg Davidson wrote:
>
>
> */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all
> that money - what is it - 2 billion a week?
>
You skipped one.
>
> And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories
> about WMD in Iraq! *"Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any
> stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.*
>
I never made that claim. All presidents lie, unless maybe they're Jimmy
Carter. He told us all this would happen with the energy crunch, and we
voted him out and went to buy giant SUV's.>>Mike, I was being quite sarcastic in my above statement. Please don't mention Georgia's former Governor. What an embarrassment.<<
>
> And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its
> promise
> to catch Osama bin Laden. *I do too. He was only interested in
> getting BJ's in the "Oral Orifice".*
>
I wouldn't say Clinton handled OBL particularly well, but he didn't go
on national television and swear to catch OBL, either. Bush did, and hasn't.>>President Bush also said that it would take time to win the war. Nobody seems to recall that. They also fail to recall that President Clinton himself admitted that he believed Saddam had WMD's & so did every Democrat/Liberal in the Congress & Senate, not to mention all those really useful folks at the "Useless Nations".
The logic *is* a little off. Assuming all regarding 9/11 is reasonably
true, we're attacked by OBL, so we topple what was a rotten government
in Afganistan, lose interest, ignore our promises to help them rebuild,
and go invade Iraq?>>Just because the Mainstream Media doesn't mention it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. You don't hear much about the rebuilding in Iraq either. Anything that's good is ignored or discredited.<<
Now we've opened a huge geopolitical hole for the Iranians to exploit,
and they'll wind up with all of Southern Iraq and its oil fields, unless
we pretty much stay forever. Not too shrewd, IMHO.
>
> Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame.* I'm
> not at fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.*
>
>
>
>
>
> Gregg Davidson wrote:
>
> > I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb
> bowling
> > balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, & runs the mini series
> > anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will
> stand
> > up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.
> >
> > */Mike Weaver /* wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of
> > the US
> > >Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of
> > Disney, it's
> > >not even
> > >funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and
> legislative,
> > >against
> > >Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the
> > entire
> > >Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in
> > serious
> > >trouble.
> > >
> > >Read it, then read my analysis of it below:
> > >September 7, 2006
> > >
> > >Mr. Robert A. Iger
> > >President and CEO
> > >The Walt Disney Company
> > >500 South Buena Vista Street
> > >Burbank CA 91521
> > >
> > >Dear Mr. Iger,
> > >
> > >We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming
> > broadcast of The
> > >Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless
> > reports from
> > >experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and
> > serious
> > >inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the
> > American people
> > >about the
> > >tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day.
> > Furthermore,
> > >the
> > >manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and
> > advertised
> > >suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like
> > Disney and a
> > >major and
> > >well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to
> > >cancel
> > >this broadcast to cease Disneyâs plans to use it as a teaching
> > tool in
> > >schools
> > >across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply
> flawed and
> > >factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to
> > children
> > >would be a
> > >gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to
> > the law,
> > >to
> > >your shareholders, and to the nation.
> > >
> > >The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free
> > broadcast
> > >license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your
> principle
> > >obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in
> serving the
> > >public interest.
> > >Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in
> > the duty
> > >of
> > >broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting
> > an open
> > >and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.
> > >
> > >Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11
> Commission
> > >Report
> > >and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign
> > for it.
> > >The
> > >9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the
> 9/11
> > >attacks,
> > >and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed,
> > the very
> > >events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme
> > care by
> > >any
> > >who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or
> > educational
> > >program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment,
> > >âWhen you
> > >take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an
> > important
> > >event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.â
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.
> > >
> > >Despite claims by your networkâs representatives that The Path
> > to 9/11
> > >is
> > >based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners
> > themselves,
> > >as
> > >well as other experts on the issues, disagree.
> > >
> > >Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11
> > Commissioners
> > >who
> > >recently viewed the program, said, âAs we were watching, we
> > were trying
> > >to
> > >think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâs
> > findings
> > >the way
> > >that they had.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate
> > and
> > >Biased,â
> > >New York Times, September 6, 2006]
> > >
> > >Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national
> > security
> > >advisor to ABC has described the program as âdeeply flawedâ
> > and said
> > >of the
> > >programâs depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an
> > intelligence
> > >agent,
> > >âItâs 180 degrees from what happened.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is
> > >Criticized as
> > >Inaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006]
> > >
> > >Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served
> as a
> > >consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because,
> > âhe
> > >thought they
> > >were making things up.â [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]
> > >
> > >Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the
> > miniseries, has
> > >admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â9/11
> > Miniseries Is
> > >Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â New York Times, September
> > 6, 2006]
> > >
> > >That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false
> > >recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the
> > >motivations of its
> > >creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program.
> > Finally, that
> > >Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly
> > cost it $40
> > >million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.
> > >
> > >These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political
> > leaning of
> > >and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this
> > miniseries,
> > >Mr.
> > >Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative
> > blogs
> > >and
> > >talk shows.
> > >
> > >Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that
> > could be
> > >construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and
> > important
> > >event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to
> > the
> > >Disney
> > >brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable
> > individuals
> > >from
> > >David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would
> > seek to
> > >use
> > >Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American
> > children as a
> > >substitute for factual information is a disgrace.
> > >
> > >As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, âIt is critically
> > >important
> > >to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly
> > our school
> > >children, understand what actually happened and why â so that
> > we can
> > >proceed
> > >from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity
> > to make
> > >our
> > >country safer.â
> > >
> > >Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the
> > factual
> > >record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the
> > reputation
> > >of
> > >Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American
> > people and
> > >the
> > >United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after
> > full
> > >consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a
> > respected
> > >member of
> > >American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public
> > >airwaves to
> > >cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We
> > look
> > >forward to hearing back from you soon.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >
> > >Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid
> > >Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
> > >Senator Debbie Stabenow
> > >Senator Charles Schumer
> > >Senator Byron Dorgan
> > >The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's broadcast
> > >license.
> > >Not the use of the word "trustee" at the beginning of the
> letter and
> > >"trust"
> > >at the end. This is nothing less than an implicit threat that if
> > Disney
> > >tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf of the Republicans,
> > they
> > >will pay a
> > >very serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even
> > before.
> > >
> > >This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney.
> > >
> > >The Society that tries to find rationality in the acts of
> > irrational men is
> > >largely a waste of time...
> > >les aaron
> > >
> > >THE COMMITTEE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE
> > >www.lesaaron.blogspot.com
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:57:04 EDT
> > Subject: [OnlineDemocrats] (no subject)
> >
> > Maybe there's a hidden little spine tucked away somewhere in the
> > Democrat leadership's collection back. They normally roll over and
> > play dead for the repugs and the media but it seems like this has
> > hit a bit of a raw nerve. Seems like there might still be a little
> > life left in the old dogs after all.
> > *Jim Langford
> > **"Being a patriot no longer requires a cannon. But it still takes
> > balls". Glen Greenwald*
> > **
> > /_Thursday, September 07, 2006
> > _/
> > *Senate Democratic leadership threatens Disney with legal and
> > legislative sanctions*
> >
> >
> > *by John in DC* - 9/07/2006 06:02:00 PM
> >
> > *This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of
> > the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of
> > Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats,
> > both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make
> > threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en
> > masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble.
> >
> > Read it, then read my analysis of it below: *
> >
> > *September 7, 2006
> >
> > Mr. Robert A. Iger
> > President and CEO
> > The Walt Disney Company
> > 500 South Buena Vista Street
> > Burbank CA 91521
> >
> > Dear Mr. Iger,
> >
> > We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming
> > broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and
> > 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the
> > program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will
> > undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the
> > tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day.
> > Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been
> > developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent
> > unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well
> > respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to
> > cancel this broadcast to cease Disneyâs plans to use it as a
> > teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic.
> > Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate
> > misinformation to the American public and to children would be
> > a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility
> > to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.
> >
> > The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a
> > free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental
> > understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee
> > of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere
> > is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the
> > duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy
> > by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political
> > ideas and events.
> >
> > Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11
> > Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the
> > promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most
> > respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and
> > association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed,
> > the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were,
> > demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as
> > part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote
> > Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, âWhen you
> > take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an
> > important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it
> > right.â
> >
> > Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.
> >
> > Despite claims by your networkâs representatives that The
> > Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission,
> > 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the
> > issues, disagree.
> >
> > Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11
> > Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, âAs we
> > were watching, we were trying to think how they could have
> > misinterpreted the 9/11 Commissionâs findings the way that
> > they had.â [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate
> > and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006]
> >
> > Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a
> > national security advisor to ABC has described the program as
> > âdeeply flawedâ and said of the programâs depiction of a
> > Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent,
> > âItâs 180 degrees from what happened.â [â9/11
> > Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â New York
> > Times, September 6, 2006]
> >
> > Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and
> > served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway
> > through because, âhe thought they were making things up.â
> > [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]
> >
> > Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the
> > miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are
> > fictionalized. [â9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate
> > and Biased,â New York Times, September 6, 2006]
> >
> > That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven
> > false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious
> > questions about the motivations of its creators and those who
> > approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans
> > to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40
> > million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.
> >
> > These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political
> > leaning of and the public statements made by the
> > writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in
> > promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk
> > shows.
> >
> > Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program
> > that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on
> > such a grave and important event involving the security of our
> > nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the
> > legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from
> > David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney
> > would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided
> > programming to American children as a substitute for factual
> > information is a disgrace.
> >
> > As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, âIt is
> > critically important to the safety of our nation that our
> > citizens, and particularly our school children, understand
> > what actually happened and why â so that we can proceed from
> > a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity
> > to make our country safer.â
> >
> > Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned,
> > the factual record, millions of viewers, countless
> > schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation
> > worthy of the trust of the American people and the United
> > States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after
> > full consideration of the facts, to uphold your
> > responsibilities as a respected member of American society and
> > as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to
> > cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program.
> > We look forward to hearing back from you soon.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid
> > Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
> > Senator Debbie Stabenow
> > Senator Charles Schumer
> > Senator Byron Dorgan*
> >
> > *The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's
> > broadcast license. Not the use of the word "trustee" at the
> > beginning of the letter and "trust" at the end. This is nothing
> > less than an implicit threat that if Disney tries to meddle in the
> > US elections on behalf of the Republicans, they will pay a very
> > serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even before.
> >
> > This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney.*
> > *
> > *
> >
> >
> >
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