Kirk McLoren wrote:
> No - the beta carotene is water soluble.
want to bet? I guess you wouldn't trust me, but regardless, I worked
with the stuff last spring, I had a student examine the UV spectra of
beta carotene (dissolved in benzene) vs the spectrum of red palm oil.
the are essentially identical. the point is I know that the stuff
water insoluble. Just look at the chemical structure- its a
hydrocarbon.
------------------------
BETA-CAROTENE
SOLUBILITY IN WATER, insoluble. pH. VAPOR DENSITY. REFRACTIVE INDEX
... One molecule of beta-carotene splits into two molecules of vitamin
A and thus ...
www.chemicalland21.com/lifescience/foco/BETA-CAROTENE.htm - 65k -
Cached - Similar pages
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now you find me a citation where it says the stuff is water soluble.
The premise is the body wont
> make a toxic level of vitamin A from it.
> As for quack watch they are a bunch of quacks. Good god Bob what do you
> expect a bunch of allopaths to say about non allopathic medicine?
ah yes, allopathy, otherwise known as science-based medicine vs
homeopathy, otherwise known as nonsense.
It
> will be a cold day in hell when they give an unprejudiced report. Our
> metasticised cancer cure rate is no better than before -- after 30 years
> of "war on cancer" The only improvement the allopaths have is earlier
> detection.
do you have a reference for that statistic? Is it from the same
source that informed you about the solubility of beta carotene? I do
know that for most cancers both morbidity and mortality are both down
over the last 30 yrs.
see the rather extensive files available at
http://www.cancer.gov/statistics/
And we are to bend our knee and kiss their ring? I think not.
just you kirk, not me. ;->
>
> As for non Harvard data base modalities the cesium chloride mouse study
> was interesting yet all we see is is the American Cancer Society warning
> about toxicity.
you lost me here, direct me to a reference to the CsCl study
The master poisoners - and that is what chemotherapy
um, this would be ad hominem by proxy attack?
is
> - discourage cesium because the ld50 is 160 grams or thereabouts.
the simplest probe of toxicity is LD50 usually expressed as mass/unit
body wt. You gave me a number that is undefined. From the literature
one finds:
Oral rat LD50: 2004 mg/kg. Oral mouse LD50: 2306 mg/kg. Investigated
as a mutagen and reproductive effector.
> I'm curious Bob what the ld50 for NaCl is.
ORL-RAT LD50 3000 mg kg-1 this stuff is really easy to get kirk, I
send my students to the literature every day for toxicological data
I think 160 grams of table
> salt could be quite an ordeal.
> So the ACS hype is just that perhaps. The university study claimed
> remission in 97% of the mice if I recall correctly. So where is the
> double blind study?
>
> LEF hosts the federal paper.
Not their work - and the study was vitamin
> A not beta carotene.
> LEF is a good resource. They have a lot of interesting papers.
>
> Kirk
>
> */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > Actually the carrot contains beta carotene
>
> yes of course, and it is what makes "red palm oil" red.
>
>
> which is used in the body to
> > make vitamin A. It is water soluble
>
> no kirk, not that it matters here but it is one of the fat soluble
> vitamins. It is stored in the liver of many animals.
>
>
> and Lorraine Day MD took enough to
> > turn herself orange. She believed it helped her overcome breast
> cancer.
>
> actually there is no evidence that it was cancer. from quackwatch.com
>
> Lorraine Day, M.D., would like you to believe that she has discovered
> the answer to cancer and that her experience as a patient qualifies
> her to give advice about cancer. She warns against trusting the
> medical profession and claims that all drugs can cause cancer. Her
> videotapes state (falsely) that standard cancer treatment has never
> cured anyone and that nobody should undergo chemotherapy and radiation
> for any cancer. She speaks eloquently and from the heart, but her
> tapes are filled with factual errors and far-fetched claims. I believe
> that her advice is untrustworthy and dangerous to the extent that it
> steers people away from effective treatment.
>
> The centerpiece of Day's story is that she cured herself of a
> grapefruit-sized lump that she says was a recurrence of her breast
> cancer. But she has refused to disclose any medical records that would
> confirm that the mass was cancer (rather than a cyst)
>
>
> > The use of 100,000 units of A a day recovered 30% of lost lung
> function
> > in a Federal study (patients had emphysema)
>
> > see lef.org for a copy of the paper.
>
> lef.org better update their files before they hurt someone. One study
> employing beta carotene(20 mg/day) was cut short when it was realized
> that:
>
>
> ATBC researchers reported that men who took beta-carotene had an
> 18 percent increased incidence of lung cancers and an 8 percent
> increased overall mortality. Vitamin E had no effect on lung cancer
> incidence or overall mortality. The men taking both supplements had
> outcomes similar to those taking beta-carotene alone
>
> (New England Journal of Medicine 1994;330:1029)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > */bob allen /* wrote:
> >
> > D. Mindock wrote:
> > > There have been a considerable number of studies on herbs. It is
> > a myth that
> > > herbs haven't
> > > been studied. BTW, an herb is any plant that has
> > > special properties. A carrot might be called an herb since it
> > helps the
> > > eyes.
> >
> >
> > your example is proving one of my points. you cant necessarily trust
> > traditional wisdom. Further confounding things is that not only is
> > vitamin A essential in small amounts, it is both toxic and
> teratogenic
> > at higher concentrations. There is enough Vit. A in a polar bear
> > liver to kill a person, and there are documented cases of fishermen
> > you became violently ill from consuming certain fish livers such as
> > halibut.
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/carrots.asp
> >
> > Claim: Eating carrots results in improved vision.
> >
> > Status: False.
> >
> >
> > your example is proving one of my points. you cant necessarily trust
> > traditional wisdom. Further confounding things is that not only is
> > vitamin A essential in small amounts, it is both toxic and
> teratogenic
> > at higher concentrations. There is enough Vit. A in a polar bear
> > liver to kill a person, and there are documented cases of fishermen
> > you became violently ill from consuming certain fish livers such as
> > halibut.
> >
> > If thing were so simple as natural is safe and good and synthetic is
> > bad...
> >
> > Strawberries slow
> > > down cancer.
> >
> > I.E., they have medicinal properties. Big Pharma will study an
> > > herb to pick out those chemicals that have the properties they're
> > looking
> > > for. E.g., Cat's Claw (graviola is another) is believed to have
> > anti-cancer
> > > properties. So a drug company will look for what they believe
> is the
> > > "active" ingredient and find the chemical analogue.
> >
> > I am not well versed in chemical patent law but I think you are
> > oversimplifying here. Generally the reason companies look for analogs
> > is to find better efficacy, lowered side effects, simpler structures
> > which lend themselves to production, or any combination thereof.
> >
> >
> > Merely extracting the
> > > active ingredient will not allow the patenting of it. But the
> > man-made
> > > analogue of it will. So they test the analogue and then submit it
> > to the FDA
> > > for its test. 200 million dollars is the figure
> > > I have heard that this test costs. So, the ability to get a
> > patent on a
> > > synthetic analogue is what gives Big Pharma
> > > the leverage to make billions on just one new drug. The markup on
> > a drug is
> > > sometimes as high as
> > > 50,000%, making drug manufacturing obscenely lucrative. The ones
> > that bomb,
> > > like Vioxx, are just the
> > > cost of doing business. With the huge markups and huge profits
> comes
> > > political power, unfortunately for us
> > > all.
> >
> > no argument there
> >
> > > Peace, D. Mindock
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Street"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hey Bob;
> > >>
> > >> Again, follow the money. Where is the funding going to come
> from to
> > >> test the efficacy of something anyone can grow and pick
> themselves.
> > >> Drug companies are loathe to spend a dime on any testing unless
> > they are
> > >> forced to do so by the regulating bodies. They sure as hell
> > aren't going
> > >> to waste that dime on something they can't control or sell.
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >> bob allen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> snip
> > >>
> > >>> The
> > >>> problem with herbs is, as I have said before, there is little
> to no
> > >>> proof of efficacy for the vast majority of them. I not saying
> they
> > >>> don't work, I am just saying that scientific evidence for
> > efficacy is
> > >>> lacking.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> snip
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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