From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:53:36 -0500
Sorry but I have to jump in here with the mention of homeopathy. This
is the silliest most counter-intuitive medical mubo-jumbo on the
planet. there is zero valid support for the idea that something which
causes a symptom at high doses (what ever that means) is cured by
something at extremely low doses. And I mean extreme. Substances are
diluted to 10 to the 120th power and more. At this concentration there
is nothing left at all. A little critical thinking goes a long way here.
There may be some herbs out there for which there is credible evidence
for efficacy, but as far as homeopathy goes- it is nonsense.
Marylynn Schmidt wrote:
> Just my thoughts on the matter of bone (or anything) re-growth ..
>
> We are a whole and the whole must be treated so going to a dentist for
bone
> re-growth and/or gum tissue re-growth is as much of a separation of self
as
> seeing the heart specialist for heart problems, the dermatologist for
skin
> problems, etc
>
> Your mouth, gums, jaw bone, teeth are still a part of the whole ..
nothing
> is going to exist in isolation inside the human physical body.
>
> Do you know a good herbalist? I'm thinking something missing .. but if
you
> have some level of toxic substance as a core problem (don't we all),
then
> homeopathy could be the road.
>
> Mary Lynn
> Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
> ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART
> TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior
Modification .
> Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy
Practitioner
> . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .
> The Animal Connection Healing Modalities
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>
>> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials
>> asEvidence)
>> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:48:58 -0500
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Yep, Linus Pauling was a true truth seeker, a beautiful human being.
>> I've been doing a bit of research on periodontal disease. It seems
that
>> there is alot going on that my dentist doesn't know about. He just
wants to
>> pull teeth and put in partial plates. But there are dentists who can
stop
>> the
>> disease and get bone and gums to regrow. So I will try to hook up with
one
>> and see if he can do something to save a couple teeth. I've talked with
a
>> friend
>> who has partials and he hates them.
>> I agree that flu shots are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get them
even
>> if they're
>> free. Her company brought in a couple nurses and offered all employees
free
>> flu
>> shots. She passed. She says she feels uncomfortable for a few days
after
>> getting the shot
>> doesn't like the feeling. You just don't know what's in there besides
the
>> crippled virus.
>> She and I work at keeping ourselves as healthy as possible and don't
take
>> our health
>> for granted.
>> Yep, being ornery does help. The mind-body connection is very real.
>> The mind controls
>> your health to a large degree. Being stubbornly optimistic or happy is
a
>> good way to keep the sick
>> bugs at bay.
>> Peace and joy, D. Mindock
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: M&K DuPree
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re:
>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials
>> asEvidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then
>> distilling. Muy excellente!!!
>> Linus Pauling...a true hero.
>> Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff. But glad you
have
>> a remedy.
>> The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.
Just
>> haven't felt the need. The wife and I don't do the flu shot stuff, but
>> with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling by so far
without
>> any viral problems. Maybe being a bit ornery helps.
>> Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: D. Mindock
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
>> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust
it
>> very much. It is just
>> too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So
I
>> use a faucet
>> mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others
>> make them too.
>> I collect that filtered water and then distill it.
>> I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that
Linus
>> Pauling used as
>> his source for vitamin C.
>> Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I
>> take the same
>> stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take
>> grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract,
>> and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that
>> reminds me that I need
>> to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too.
>> Peace & light, D. Mindock
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: M&K DuPree
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness
>> (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes
>> the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this
what
>> you're talking about?
>> Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and
mineral
>> supplement from a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance
>> Formula." It is a formulation based on a book written by a Dr. Roger
J.
>> Williams, The Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's that for
>> documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't
tell
>> you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a
multilevel
>> deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered
anything
>> else.
>> Mike DuPree
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: D. Mindock
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was
>> HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a
small
>> size that they
>> can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a
>> burden on the immune
>> system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the
"life
>> force" of the
>> milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy
>> animal that is grass
>> fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also
it
>> is a GM crop with
>> all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it,
eh,
>> what the heck?
>> WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each
>> day.
>> That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are
poor
>> wrt to removing
>> volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a
>> carbon filter like
>> that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal
of
>> lead, cadmium,
>> etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water
is
>> pretty clean. It is strange
>> though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through.
>> Who needs that crap?
>> Anyway, the distiller removes it.
>> Peace and light, D. Mindock
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: M&K DuPree
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis
>> asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into
>> incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the
esophagus
>> and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate
along
>> the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I
>> know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a
couple
>> of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, like....uh,
>> water....distilled of course...I know I know minerals etc
>> etc...hey...distilled....period...and don't bother me about taste...if
you
>> can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded
on
>> this one!! LOL Mike DuPree
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as
>> AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> > Hi Mike,
>> > I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
>> > milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
>> > to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
>> > Harvard study would actually be better off.
>> > Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and
>> organic.
>> > Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think
the
>> Hunzas
>> > drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
>> > Peace, D. Mindock
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as
>> Anesthesia
>> > WasTestimonials as Evidence)
>> >
>> >
>> >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.
>> >>
>> >> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the
years.
>> >>
>> >> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people
>> suffer from are
>> >> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third
>> world,
>> >> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack
of
>> food and
>> >> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we
suffer
>>
> >from the
>
>> >> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes
to
>> mind,
>> >> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease,
>> high blood
>> >> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor.
>> >>
>> >> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's
website:
>> >>
>> >> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium
intake
>> doesn't
>> >> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis.
>> For example,
>> >> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals
and
>> female
>> >> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less)
per
>> week were
>> >> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were
>> those who
>> >> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
>> >>
>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>)
>> >> Other studies have found similar results.
>> >>
>> >> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a
>> disease" if
>> >> they don't eat the milk of another species. Dogs don't
need
>> cat milk.
>> >>
>> >> bob allen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Howdy Terry,
>> >>>
>> >>>Terry Dyck wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>HI Bob,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart
>> disease,
>> >>>>Diabetes,
>> >>>>Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>oh really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the
>> data age
>> >>>adjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are
included.
>> This is the
>> >>>issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are
>> overly broad
>> >>>statements as fact, without little or no support. So
give
>> me
>> >>>reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.
>> >>>
>> >>>or how about just statistic at a time to discuss. How
about
>> age
>> >>>adjusted cancer rates? (age adjusting is necessary as
cancer
>> is
>> >>>essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more
likely
>> you are to
>> >>>get cancer.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> show me the data please.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On the other hand
>> >>>>there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan
mountains
>> called
>> >>>>Hunzaland
>> >>>>that is an almost disease free area.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>I have heard this canard before. I googled hunzaland and
>> about the only
>> >>>thing I got were people hawking their particular "cure"
>> >>>
>> >>> The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
>> >>> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>or how about 160+ year olds
>> >>>http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>do really believe that? really, you don't think someone
>> could be less
>> >>>than forthright to make a point about a product the
promote?
>> >>>
>> >>>or maybe it's the magnetized water
>> >>>http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> A pure organic food diet and almost no
>> >>>>pollution could be the reason for people having good
health.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with
out
>> better
>> >>>documentation?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>--
>> >>>>>Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
>>
>>>>>=========================================================
>> >>>>>The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's
oldest
>> exercises in
>> >>>>>moral philosophy; that is,
>> >>>>>the search for a superior moral justification for
>> selfishness JKG
>> >>>>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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