Ahhh Tom....you put a smile on a face and a tear in my eye. A rush of goosebumps as I write this. Thanks. Mike DuPree ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
Mike, You wrote: "I'm in, Tom, but I don't think well enough, evidence the coal I burn to run this puter and my lights and the oil I use to drive my car and to get to market the stuff I buy, including the basic stuff, ie food, ........" Go easy on yourself Mike. It'll may take a week or two to do a complete makeover on the world. (The US is a great place to start .... it'll be easy once we deflect this country towards sanity). Can you cut back 6% on your reliance on fossil fuels? How about 10%? (Help cover the "slackers" share) ..... Sort of your own Kyoto Agreement. Born in '52, huh? Then you remember having certain foods only when they were "in season." Living in the northern US I'll try to do without fresh strawberries in January. Start with what you can do. "We're all trapped in a strange game." Unlike some of the opinions expressed lately, I like to think the snare hasn't shut yet. Taking small steps over the past year or so, and getting a daily dose of inspiration ..... Remember: "I don't know."? ...." that each of us is trying in his or her own way to take responsibility for oneself, ...... " Mike DuPree 9/16/06 Amazing Himalayan Salt Trapped??? More and more I feel like an animal released from it's cage. All I'm doing is following what you said. Best to you, Tom P.S. "Do not go gentle ..... " silent? gentle? ..... Kick and scream, right? I should stick with a Dylan I'm more familiar with: "Don't stand in the doorways, don't block up the halls, for the times they are a changin"." ----- Original Message ----- From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Tom and Jim...thanks. Yeah, Tom, it was Dylan Thomas who wrote "Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night" (1952), same year I was born. Sounds like Ma Nature has taken the poem to heart as well. Yeah, I'm in, Tom, but I don't think well enough, evidence the coal I burn to run this puter and my lights and the oil I use to drive my car and to get to market the stuff I buy, including the basic stuff, ie food, no matter whether I buy local or in the grocery store. We're all trapped in a strange game. Then we all move on and disappear and maybe or maybe not show up somewhere else in another form...or forms!!!...which I expect I will if I do at all when my ashes are tossed to the four winds in the middle of the Flint Hills in Kansas. Ah well. Mike DuPree ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Very well put Thomas, Where are we? Good question, don't know, but we do know that we are getting there faster than we expected as those cascading effects all have greater amplitudes than expected as the data rolls in. I have become a bit of a curiosity speaking out on Global warming in this area, but it is worth it as I was brought up to try to do what's right even if no one else is. I have hope, but I dare say that if the entire world does not go into a reversal trend fast the only "survival plan" for anyone is placing both feet 3 feet apart sticking ones head between legs so one can kiss ass goodbye in this life anyway. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Mike, CO2 levels are on the rise ..... nowhere near 250% since 2000. In the year 2000, CO2 levels were at 368ppm (vol) = .0368% of air by volume. As of March, 2006 the CO2 levels were 381ppm = .0381% of the air by volume ..... a 3.53% increase. If temp change caused by CO2, alone, was all we had to be concerned with, climate change associated with it would not be very significant. The problem is the cascading effect that even a slight temp change can initiate. Ex. Slight increase in temp -----> less ice cover -----> less reflected solar energy, more absorbed ----> more heat ---> less ice cover etc Slight increase in temp ---> melting of permafrost ----> release of methane gas contributing to greenhouse effect ----> temp increase -----> melting of permafrost etc. The current 381ppm level represents a 100ppm increase over pre-industrial levels .... a 36% increase ..... Very significant. Recent studies done involving the analysis of air trapped in tiny bubbles in Arctic Ice, show that changes such as these have occurred in the past, but over a much greater (as in 10's of thousands of years) rather than a few lifetimes. There are homeostatic mechanism that allow the earth to maintain relatively stable conditions. Large bodies of water absorb CO2. Homeostatic mechanisms can be overloaded. Because CO2 reacts with the water to form carbonic acid (dissociates into bicarbonate ion and hydrogen ion), over-loading the oceans with CO2 can result in a slight drop in pH. (A similar series of events occurs in our bodies. We transport CO2 ... as the bicarbonate ion .... away from tissues. Increased metabolic rate ----> additional CO2 ------> Increased carbonic acid and a very slight drop in pH of our blood. We feel the urge to breath faster ...... result: we eliminate the CO2. Unfortunately our large bodies of water do not enjoy such a luxury.) A slight drop in the pH of oceans ----> breakdown and release of vast quantities CO2 sequestered in carbonates (shells of animal great and small). At what point does the cascade of events leading to "meltdown" occur? ..... the "Tipping Point"? Has it already occurred? Do we just sit and do nothing? I wish I paid more attention in English class ... Was it Dylan Thomas? ... "Do not go silent ........." Maybe all we can do is mitigate the devastation; fight the good fight .... Are you in? Fatheads Unite ..... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Terry...any chance you could direct us to where you read this? Last night I was thinking about global warming and the reasons behind it and I wondered if everything might start suffocating at some point. Now today comes your mentioning the CO2 increase. I don't like these kind of coincidences, but they happen. On the other hand, maybe I really shouldn't read the documentation of this number. Maybe I shouldn't read anything about anything that seems to really matter. "Ignorance is bliss," my wife reminds me, not because she believes it, but because she doesn't understand why I should try to learn what I can about something over which I have little or no control. Maybe she's right, but I'm a fathead and want to know anyway. Thanks. Mike DuPree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather > Hi Jason, > > A new report states that CO2 has increased by 250% since the year 2000. > That could explain the weird weather. > > Terry Dyck > > >>From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather >>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:22:07 -0600 >> >>i have a theory about how all of this climate change is going to proceed. >>all the gases and toxins that are being shoved into the atmosphere will >>hold heat and all this fantastic energy will hyperactivate the weather, the >>rain will pull particulates and volatiles out of the air in the >>rainshadows. the droughts will clear the landscape in certain key >>equatorial areas which will be prime ground for containment, and over >>hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, the water cycle will carry the toxins >>to the sun blasted equator where they will be deposited as salts and other >>contaminated solids and be truly sequestered (or become rancid festering >>swamps where no creature would dare go). granted during this time, humanity >>and most of the weaker species on earth will be killed off... but hey, what >>can i say? >>Jason >>ICQ#: 154998177 >>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: robert and benita rabello >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather >> >> >> JAMES PHELPS wrote: >> >> This year was hotter than the records set in 1930 in Wyoming ND SD NE >>and it was a tie in Montana. >> >> A caveat when discussing weather in relation to Global warming. I >>often hear people say so much for global warming on days like this in >>Montana ( -40 F wind chills +10 deg F still) but they really don't >>understand that this is nothing - Montana has not had a "normal winter" for >>well over 6 years. >> >> My point in using these extreme examples, is that climate change >>results in weather patterns that fall outside of "norms." In simple terms, >>the earth acts like a giant heat engine. All of the energy that's getting >>trapped in the atmosphere gets expressed in the form of stronger high >>pressures (warm air) and lower low pressures (cold air). The warmth in the >>oceans is transpiring into the atmosphere as vapor and condensing as either >>rain or snow, depending on the air temperature. We've had an enormous >>amount of precipitation recently, which means that somewhere on earth, LESS >>rain and snow is falling. >> >> Drought and deluge are part of the shifting climate, as is the >>increasing severity of the storms we're seeing. >> >> >>robert luis rabello >>"The Edge of Justice" >>Adventure for Your Mind >>http://www.newadventure.ca >> >>Ranger Supercharger Project Page >>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: >>11/27/2006 6:09 PM > > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 >>6:09 PM > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download now! 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