Hi Kirk >arsenic bait so they take it to the queen. If she is gone so is the >whole colony of termites.
Do termites actually take the arsenic to the queen? And do they actually eat wood? I thought they use it as a growth medium for their fungi gardens. This is a great read: The Soul of the White Ant Eugène N. Marais http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#marais A classic, filled with charm and wisdom. Best Keith >Kirk > >Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Speaking of termites - any advice for a environmentally benign way to >keep them under control? > >-Mike > >Keith Addison wrote: > > >Hello Wendell > > > > > > > > > > > >> By the way, I seem to recall that termites are the source > >>of 20 percent of the world's methane. I am no entomologist --is > >>there any known benefit to man or beast from termites? > >>If not, let's get 'em! > >> > >> > > > >Right, let's kill them all! Termite-caused global warming has to be > >stopped in its tracks. There can't be anything important about > >termites anyway, I mean they only produce 20% of the world's methane > >after all, and only about two-thirds of the world's dead plants go > >through termites in the organic matter cycle, obviously they're > >totally useless to man and beast. Anyway, if we can wipe them out and > >lose that methane maybe we can go right on guzzle-guzzle-guzzling for > >a few days or weeks longer before we hit Cold Turkey time on the > >fossil fuels. What do you think we should use, DDT or malathion? > > > >What about the methane from wild ruminants, you forgot about them - > >there are millions and millions of antelope and wildebees in the > >Serengeti for instance, if we don't go right in there and kill them > >they'll just go right on farting. > > > >Same applies to all these useless creatures, if they can't live > >without being so irresponsible then they just have to go. > > > >Nature knows best, and if Nature was capable of making these > >decisions for herself she wouldn't have given us brains to do it for > >her, right? > > > >Best > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > >> > >>Wendell > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: Keith Addison > >>>Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 04:13:55 CST > >>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use > >>> > >>> > >>>Hi Terry > >>> > >>>Thanks for finding the ref. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi Keith, > >>>> > >>>>You asked for a link to the the UCS quote. It was from the Green > >>>>Issue of the Vancouver Sun newspaper in Nov. (Vancouver, BC, Can.) > >>>>The actual quote was, Methane produced by waste on cattle and hog > >>>>farms is as hard on the atmospher as 33 million cars. 18% of total > >>>>global emissions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>But 33 million cars is only about 15% of the number of vehicles in > >>>the US, let alone globally, how can that equal 18% of global > >>>emissions? > >>> > >>>"Cattle and hog farms" means CAFOs, not farms, or at least in the > >>>vast majority of cases. I don't think that's the same as what you > >>>said, "the total of all livestock on this planet". > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry > >>>>>33 million cars' worth of GHGs. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>I still think that. The claim of 18% of global emissions from CAFOs > >>>doesn't sound unreasonable, but the cars bit can't be right, seems to > >>>me. > >>> > >>>Thanks Terry. > >>> > >>>Best > >>> > >>>Keith > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Terry Dyck > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>From: Keith Addison > >>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use > >>>>>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900 > >>>>> > >>>>>Hello Terry > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Hi Kirk, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one > >>>>>>room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and > >>>>>>we would walk or bike almost everywere > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>This: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>and we would be totally Vegan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>... is nonsense, as we've established quite thoroughly many times. > >>>>>Please go to the archives and check it out. > >>>>> > >>>>>There is no way of raising crops sustainably without using livestock > >>>>>in the production system. No vegetarian farming system has ever > >>>>>survived the test of time. > >>>>> > >>>>>Please don't argue about it until you've checked it out, no need to > >>>>>go over the same old ground yet another time. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The Union of Concerned Scientists reports that because of the amount > >>>>>>of Methane gas caused from feed lots, etc. that the total of all > >>>>>>livestock on this planet is equivalent to taking 33 million cars of > >>>>>>the road. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>"Feed lots, etc"? What does the "etc" mean? > >>>>> > >>>>>I'm sure the amount of GHGs emitted by trees etc is even worse, > >>>>>should we cut them all down too? > >>>>> > >>>>>"Do trees share blame for global warming?" > >>>>>http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0119/p13s01-sten.html > >>>>>"Globally, living plants may contribute from 10 to 30 percent of > >>>>>global methane emissions." > >>>>> > >>>>>I haven't seen the UCS report you mention, would you give us a > >>>>>reference or a link please? > >>>>> > >>>>>Anyway you're talking about feedlots, CAFOs, Confined Animal Feeding > >>>>>Operations, industrialised factory farms. No CAFOs no meat? That's > >>>>>the same mistake enviros make when they attack fuel ethanol because > >>>>>they don't like Archer Daniel Midlands and Cargill. There are other > >>>>>ways of doing things, as we ought to know by now. > >>>>> > >>>>>There've been a number of high-profile critiques of industrial meat > >>>>>production and global warming, this is the main one: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm > >>>>>Livestock's long shadow - Environmental issues and options > >>>>>Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations > >>>>> > >>>>>Feedlot cattle, pigs and poultry eat industrialised grain, produced > >>>>>with high dependence on fossil-fuel inputs and at high environmental > >>>>>cost, and the same applies to the CAFO livestock production system > >>>>>itself. Check out how carbon-neutral industrialised grain turns out > >>>>>to be. Pastured livestock eat forage. > >>>>> > >>>>>With CAFOs most of the methane emissions result from the manure > >>>>>storage, especially in with pigs. With pastured livestock, especially > >>>>>with rotational pasture, the manure provides the soil fertility to > >>>>>produce multiple following crops, displaces the need for fossil-fuel > >>>>>based chemical fertilisers, and does so at a healthy profit. Such > >>>>>pasture soils sequester very large amounts of carbon. > >>>>> > >>>>>I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry > >>>>>33 million cars' worth of GHGs. Well so what, it doesn't have any > >>>>>future anyway, any more than the rest of the industrial agriculture > >>>>>disaster does. It's fossil-fuel dependent every step of the way, and > >>>>>measured in food miles that comes to a hell of a long way. It'll bust > >>>>>all their bottom-lines when carbon accounting starts hitting the > >>>>>global trade it depends on, the insane distribution system, the > >>>>>processing. Apart from all of which CAFOs have become a major > >>>>>bio-hazard. > >>>>> > >>>>>No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable, family-run > >>>>>mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low input, > >>>>>high output, local markets. > >>>>> > >>>>>Best > >>>>> > >>>>>Keith > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Terry Dyck > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>From: Kirk McLoren > >>>>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use > >>>>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>would do it. > >> > >> > >>>>>>>So how true is it - at least to him. > >>>>>>>If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont. > >>>>>>>So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the > >>>>>>>board of directors. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Kirk > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Tom Irwin wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi Kirk and all, > >>>>>>>When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, > >>>>>>>so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but > >>>>>>>there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. > >>>>>>>It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man. > >>>>>>>Tom Irwin _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
