Hi Dawie...sorry for so long responding, but there are has been too much going on in my life to do so sooner with words I'm hoping will explain at least in part my position. Unfortunately, I believe I have not been able to even scratch the surface of expounding upon the issues with which you have taken issue and also professed. But I'm trying, and also, if in trying I have completely misread your meaning, please forgive me. So, except for the gist of your last paragraph, I couldn't disagree with you more. I believe you are deluded. "Freedom" and "independence" are illusions...delusions...ideas foisted upon us by a minority who want us to believe the supposed reality of these words in order to divide us and ultimately conquer us, just as they have and do--and will. "Freedom and independence are" NOT "merely what all sane, healthy people strive for." Freedom and independence are NOT "what causes children to be impatient to grow up, and so they should be." "The problem is" NOT that "we've forgotten what freedom and independence mean." The utterly fundamental problem is that we've forgotten, in fact have never been taught (most of us), what "we" mean. Let me put my hands around your neck, Dawie, and squeeze and the tighter I squeeze I want you to tell me all about your "freedom" and your "independence." Keep talking...keep talking...Dawie? What are you trying to say? Stop? Why? Because you can no longer breathe the air we share. The same goes with water and dirt. The fundamental fact of our being is that we share. And so each of us comes and goes, along with whatever notions each of us might have of freedom, independence, separation etc etc--every mental construct ad nauseum--but what we share remains. And when Earth finally disappears, another will appear, because what we ultimately share is grander than even Earth. As I read what you have written, I am impressed that what makes you uniquely you, Dawie, has been captured and taught to believe "you" are "free" and "independent." And why should you believe otherwise? You feel this, so you believe it. But what are you really feeling? You are feeling your nature to focus and to see for yourself, to think for yourself, but it is not ultimately for yourself that you are intended to see and think--it is for "us," the fundamental reality of "us" being Earth and everything we share. Anyway, crank up the old intellectual noodling all you want, Dawie, reality will not be changed; only you will be changed, just as you already have been changed as indicated by your words. You will be (have been) changed from what you are into someone else's idea for you of what they want you to be, just as they have been doing for thousands of years. "United we stand. Divided we fall." These are not merely words. The meaning of these words is the truth. Anyway, I know we can divide this all up into a million bits of ultimately nothingness and it will not change a thing, except as it changes each of us. "Freedom," "independence," "separateness" all are, as far as I can see from observing closely the situation in which I have my being, words which should be blindfolded and shot, beheaded, hung from the gallows, obliterated, annihilated etc etc. In their place I would substitute "individuality." This word makes sense to me, as it seems to me to more accurately describe my experience. The others, however, are charalatans, terrorists, blue meanies intending my utter enslavement. Take care, Dawie. Mike DuPree ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawie Coetzee To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)
Freedom and independence are merely what all sane, healthy people strive for. It is what causes children to be impatient to grow up, and so they should be. The problem is that we've forgotten what freedom and independence mean. Freedom is not leisure; it is not a perpetual holiday. Conversely it is not some Orwellian nightmare of "positive freedom", for there is no freedom that is not freedom from duress. Freedom is the practical power to claim authorship of one's acts, and the consequent confidence to take responsibility for them. Likewise independence is not a state of vacuum that affords impunity, but a basis of separate personal realness that is a prerequisite for any relationship with others. We are misled by a tendency to use metaphors from engineering. A steel ball "free to move" on a pane of glass is no real illustration of freedom, because the ball is quite incapable of resisting any force that acts on it. It cannot refuse, it cannot say "No!", never mind resist effectively: it is therefore the opposite of free. The problem is not a surfeit of freedom and independence but a lack thereof in any meaningful sense. The ability to tolerate exceptional behaviours without eroding the basis of its existence is perhaps the measure of a system of society. The concentration of too much power in too few hands causes the current system to be extremely intolerant of exceptional behaviours, and therefore it requires all kinds of intrusive bureaucratic tyranny to keep from 'disappearing up its own arse', if you'll excuse the expression. What we need is not a population that is so abjectly servile as to welcome the bureaucratic tyranny (because if you start thinking that way, universal genocide is a more efficient option) but an end to the concentrations of power that maintain a pretext for the tyranny. -Dawie ----- Original Message ---- From: M&K DuPree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, 6 May, 2007 7:58:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles) Hi Kirk..thanks for sharing. More and more it appears to me the bottom line is we are discovering how "freedom" and "independence" are grand illusions which our subscribing to is now showing the truth of. We are not "free," never will be, and there is no "independence." We are all bound to each other and the planet in a grand scheme of interdependence, where what happens to a part affects the whole. So only as we learn to work together, to help grow our common ground and strengthen the ties that bind, not only do we have a chance of taking ourselves to the next generation and the ones beyond that but of learning true happiness and fulfillment in the present. Good night, and good luck. Mike DuPree ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles) "Redaktion Buergerwelle e.V. (BI Omega-CI Omega)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Sir, Madam, Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends, for your information. Best regards, Klaus Rudolph Citizens' Initiative Omega Member of the Buergerwelle Germany (incorporated society) Protectorate Union of the Citizens and Initiatives for the Protection against Electrosmog ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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