Hi Dawie >Hi Keith > > >That's not much help is it? > >No, but I'm inclined to agree with what you say. What's the point of >a choice between a handful of neo-capitalist clone candidates, all >keen to perpetuate the mechanism that has brought them to the >situation of being a candidate.
And when people stay away in droves because they don't want to vote for either of the business parties they're labelled "apathetic". I believe I've said this before, but wouldn't it help a lot if you could vote against candidates instead of only for them? What honest politician could possibly object to that? LOL! >You've got my sympathy, for what that's worth. Thankyou Dawie, but I don't deserve it, I might be a homeless non-voter but actually I'm a happy global villager. So are you, I suspect. :-) This might shed some light on the matter, closely associated: "Why They Whine: How Corporations Prey On Our Children" -- by Gary Ruskin, director of Commercial Alert (www.essential.org/alert) http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/consumerism/whine.html 9/14/00 -- Articles from the Associated Press, NY Times, and Contra Costa Times on new GAO Report "Commercial Activities in Public Schools" http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/educationarticles.html Best Keith >-Dawie > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Friday, 22 June, 2007 8:31:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 'What the World Eats'! > >Hi Dawie > > >Whoa, Keith, don't get me wrong! My profuse apologies for being > >perversely oblique and gratuitously facetious and the rest of it. > >Okay, sorry. > > >I freely admit that I know next to nothing about this, but I was > >reminded of how I felt as a child, being told that my grievances of > >the moment were determined not by their merits but by my tired state. > >Um, yes. Next comes "because I say so". > > >I did not intend to make any factual statement about ADD and > >hyperactive kids: I am not equipped to do so. I was referring solely > >to my own childhood memories. > > > >I did, however, note a factor that I believe to be valid, namely > >that there is a potential for political abuse. I raise it as a > >question, as something worth pondering. To take an extreme > >case, should we deny people the vote on the basis of their diet? > > > >There are indeed many sides to the question, as you rightly pointed > >out. Heaven forbid that I deny its complexity. > > > >What say you? > >Hm. Sorry, I get your point but I might not be the best person to >ask, I'm a bit sceptical of votes anyway, as is, I haven't seen many >examples of it working very well. (South Africa was a country of 25 >million non-voters when I left 30 years ago - that's what the blacks >called themselves, non-voters.) Anyway, who do we currently deny the >vote to? People with a criminal record? Do all the guys in the US who >get jailed for smoking a joint lose the vote? Corporate criminals do >much more harm but they're seldom prosecuted, and who needs votes >anyway when politicians are such a buyers' market? Does insanity lose >you the vote? If it can be demonstrated that a person's particular >diet renders them irrational should they be allowed to vote? That >same diet might not have the same effect on another person though, so >you couldn't make a rule of it. Japan's national diet is healthier >than most, but in Japan (and a lot of other places) voting is still a >racial issue. I'm a non-voter here (but I'd be one by choice anyway - >the political spectrum of the elected politicians bears almost no >resemblance to the political spectrum of the society). Some gaijin >have managed to get citizenship but I don't think they've really >changed anything. In Switzerland at least one canton still doesn't >give women the vote. What a mess. And I didn't even mention Diebold. >What if we consider global villages instead? > >That's not much help is it? > >Best > >Keith > > > >-Dawie > > > >----- Original Message ---- > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Sent: Friday, 22 June, 2007 9:39:42 AM > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 'What the World Eats'! > > > >Hello Dawie > > > > >I'll neither assert nor deny it for the moment. > > > >Indeed you're not in any position to do either of those things, not > >having read the references provided, nor apparently any other > >references either. Which doesn't seem to stop you doing it anyway. > > > > >It is, after all, moreover well known that children become > > >obstreperous when they are tired. > > > >So ADD and hyperactive kids and so on are just tired? Or when they're > >not tired but being totally unreasonable and often violent with it > >it's just their natural-born childish obstreperousness? > > > >Maybe you should check your facts. > > > > >As a practicing curmudgeon I however still maintain that I had a > > >valid grievance all those times I complained so vociferously at the > > >age of four (and I was a pig-headed little terror). > > > > > >Surely you see the political danger, regardless of the truth or > > >otherwise of the matter: "Your opinion doesn't count: it's just the > > >MSG talking." -D > > > >Regardless of the truth or otherwise of the matter, you're now > >asserting that the MSG's "opinion" doesn't count, and implying that > >there are no political dangers in that assertion, or at least failing > >to see them. > > > >The average Westerner eats 8-10 lbs of food additives per year, there > >are more than 5,000 of them, all bearing the same safety certificate > >as thalidomide, and nothing is known of their synergistic effects. > >You think that's a minor matter? > > > >Do yer homework Dawie. > > > >Best > > > >Keith > > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >Sent: Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:07:56 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 'What the World Eats'! > > > > > > >The third world urban poor increasingly eat the same sort of stuff, > > > >albeit often in unexpected, locally unique combinations. For > > > >instance, you'll find informally-slaughtered meat combined with > > > >commercially-milled maize meal and sauces made from various > > > >supermarket bits and pieces. The inversion of staple and luxury > > > >foods (and stuff in general) is a problem all over. > > > > > > > >I'd put the antisocial behaviour down to the experience of > > > >unfreedom, however, especially when people aren't equipped to > > > >articulate it. > > > > > >Perhaps you should read Price and Pottenger first before you decide > > >that. There's much other evidence for it, if you care to look. Have a > > >look at the Medical Testament in our Small Farms Library, just for > > >one. Many times replicated, each time as if the findings are > > >something new. Eg: > > ><<<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2984519.stm>http://news.bbc. >co>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2984519.stm>http://news.bbc.co. > >uk/><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2984519.stm>http://news.bbc. >co.u>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2984519.stm>http://news.bbc.co. >u > >k/ > > >1/hi/health/2984519.stm > > >BBC NEWS | Health | > > >Tuesday, 29 April, 2003, UK > > >Twin study reveals food additives effect > > > > > >Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price > > ><<<http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#price>http://jou >rne>http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#price>http://journe > >yto><http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#price>http://jou >rney>http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#price>http://journe >y > >to > > >forever.org/farm_library.html#price > > > > > >Best > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- > > >From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >Sent: Thursday, 21 June, 2007 3:51:00 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 'What the World Eats'! > > > > > >Poor in America eat spaghetti and such. Price and Potteneger blamed > > >poor nutrition as the cause of much antisocial behavior. They had > > >records and photographs to support their hypothesis. > > >Poor in the "third world" tend to grow their own and actually eat > > >better than the working class in the states. Americans by and large > > >eat crap. Transfats, ersatz, and corn syrup. > > >Then they wonder why cancer and diabetes and heart disease are epidemic. > > >Like its rocket science. > > > > > >Kirk > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org ><http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelist >s.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainable >lists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: ><http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org >/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): ><http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>http://www >.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >Yahoo! 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