yes, that's a good link, darryl.  I read it when you posted.  and as usual,
keith, you've followed up with a ton of good material more.  thanks.

the reports coming out of fukushima, about the ridiculous iodine levels
being nothing to worry about, for example.  or the links you posted, keith,
about the refusal to take an honest look at the effects of chernobyl or
hiroshima and nagasaki.  i'm reminded of a program I heard some years back
on a local university radio station.  it was a speech given by a doctor who
had dedicated himself to studying the effects of radiation.  (if i've told
this story before, my apologies)

anyway, he was talking at one point about how the nuclear industry tried to
allay fears over fallout resulting from nuclear testing in the pacific.
well, this guy had done very thorough statistics on the incidence of
different illnesses.  his analysis showed a spike in the incidence of
various cancers, diabetes, and such, coinciding with every nuclear test
(going back, iirc, to the first nuclear test).

so the nuclear industry defenders would say things like "oh, but these data
fall within the standard deviation you would expect with an increase in
tobacco use ." [and here, you can't ignore the ridiculous irony that these
are the same people, as in of the same ilk--though it wouldn't surprise me
if sometimes it was the same individuals--who used precisely the same kinds
of arguments to defend big tobacco].  of course his rejoinder was "well, I
guess the fear over radiation is so deep-seated that every time you had a
nuclear test, the resulting anxiety caused a whole bunch of people to start
smoking."  funny stuff (you had to be there).

i'm also reminded of a piece i read in Science News, had to be a couple
decades ago, about a study of rats in the wilds of russia.  iirc, this was
*not* related to chernobyl.  these were forest regions where radioactive
waste was known to have been dumped.  a significant amount of mutation was
found in this rat population.  not gammarah-style stuff.  things like large
numbers of six-toed individuals, that kind of stuff.
On Apr 20, 2011 1:41 PM, "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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