Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : > > Dear Cyrille, > > Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being supersets > from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning of the LXX v11n? >
No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well. > // This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of > Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In > particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs: > // Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions > // R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & > Pseudepigrapha > // Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations > from the LXX > > // In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to > facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated > from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in > producing this versification system: > // Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB > // the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations > > // All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this versification > definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a > consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system. > > > > On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille wrote: >> >> >> Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>> >>> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still >>> researching. But since these have been double checked to printed >>> editions, >>> >> >> I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the printing >> edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file correspond exactly >> to the printing edition. >>> >>> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in the >>> v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am sorry for speculating, but >>> I know these v11ns were checked and verified by a second individual >>> against a printed edition and also know there is a ton of low >>> quality texts online which claim to be things which they are not. >>> >> The check was not good done. >>> >>> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to put in >>> the research. I hope you find a way to check and confirm. >>> >> Then I can confirm this : >> The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the >> printing edition, I have with me. >>> >>> Troy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> Dear Cyrille, >>>>> >>>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the >>>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the >>>>> differences don't look like anything useful. I must be mistaken >>>>> about what this file is. Have a read of the comments in the file >>>>> I send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0. They are >>>>> very similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment near >>>>> the end of the header: >>>>> >>>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately encode >>>>> variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already >>>>> served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)." >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)" >>>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference. >>>>> >>>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n >>>>> folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am not sure: >>>>> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h >>>>> >>>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I compare >>>> the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I ready to >>>> perform it. Please let me know the good way to help. >>>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's not >>>> possible to use the current LXX v11n. >>>>> >>>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in >>>>> there. I may need to go search old emails to dig up the >>>>> discussions on this. >>>>> >>>>> Troy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : >>>>>>> Hi Cyrille, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your >>>>>>> computer before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo >>>>>>> contains the .jar file you asked about. You cannot just download >>>>>>> the individual convert.sh script. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this from >>>>>> the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't find it >>>>>> again :-\ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple Bibles. >>>>>>> The SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends to easily >>>>>>> skip empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a chapter here >>>>>>> or a chapter there has too many verses, it is probably that way >>>>>>> to support another Bible which has more verses for that chapter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and others. >>>>>>> There are many issues regarding the LXX which are not easily >>>>>>> resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual traditions of the >>>>>>> same book in parallel with different versifications. I h >>>>>>> research for LXX in general can be found here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/ >>>>>> >>>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with >>>>>> osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the >>>>>> Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I will >>>>>> have really a lot of issues! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps a bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Troy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille >>>>>>> <lafricai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the >>>>>>> current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors! >>>>>>> Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX >>>>>>> v11n? >>>>>>> I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a >>>>>>> proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs >>>>>>> (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, Br Cyrille >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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