Alexander Deruwe wrote: > On 05 Sep 2007, at 17:32, Kiril Angov wrote: > >> I am sorry I will changing the topic a little but by reading your >> reasons to use Flexy and your concerns about it being developed and >> PHP5 >> compatible why not take a look at PHPTal. There is a not very recent >> symofny plugin for it that I took a look at some time ago. >> >> http://tracfort.jp/projects/symfony-phptal/wiki >> >> You get all the benefits of using WYSIWYG editors, you get the symfony >> php helpers, loops, etc. I am personally more into using template >> engines that do not depend on editors rather than Zend Studio so I am >> using the template engine I ported from Ruby >> (http://trac.symfony-project.com/trac/wiki/sfHamlViewPlugin). >> >> Again, sorry for the out of topic email :) >> > > I'll take this opportunity to ask another related though off topic > question... > Generally speaking, if the developer(s) are also the designer(s) (no > matter how awful that may turn out to be ;) as in my case, would you > still recommend using a template engine? > > Cheers, > > > Alexander > > > > > Well, this is exactly my case. I am really not the designer but I get some templates or prototypes, even photoshop files only and I know enough to make them look the same as the photoshop files without using 1000 divs and what not :) And yes, I would recommend using a templates engine if you know there will be somebody else coming along the way to work with you. I really had no problems doing HTML + PHP. It is my personal preference that Haml templates are really clean and are really easy even for non programmers (proven by the Ruby community where they say designers are using Haml without problems, I personally do not have direct experience). I came from a world of using Smarty and I would not accept anything worse than Smarty. really nice templating engine that gives designers exactly the control they need and not more. My current project became a mess because the designer was writing html with who knows what program and the sources were such a mess that it became a pain to make it work in all browsers and it even caused problems of layers flying around, etc, because we could not see the structure of the html because of the bad indentation and bad html writing as a whole. I tried to talk them into writing well structured HTML because html is structured language (think XML) but what I get is "yes" and then the same as before. Now you give them Haml where you write less and you mess up the indentation and the syntax and you are forced to fix it or it does not work. And is it hard to write, no, it is logical and it maybe closely resembles YAML which we came to love for config files.
For every train there are passengers and just see for your needs. As I said all was good with simple PHP as templating engine but it proved to be flawed when you do not have professionals for colleagues (and luckily they are not reading this list :))) i hope you got my point and please decide for your needs and I like the fact that I can mix Haml and PHP templates and thus chose the best from both worlds if needed. Kupo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
