On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:

> I am a programmer for almost 20 years. I worked in almost all known
> programming languages - from assembler language for many CPU families,
> through Pascal, C, C++, C #, Ruby, Python, Java, and PHP-a.
> Believe me that I long ago ceased to write applications such as "hello
> world".

Me too, but I believe a powerful framework *does* require some effort to 
learn and master. You will probably have a similar learning curve with 
CakePHP, Zend, Django or Rails. Ive been working with web applications for 
over 10 years now and I believe symfony is a good framework.



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