HI folks! @Lukas , how would you be a symfony master, if you do not have enough knowledge of HTML, JS ? I guess all of us know hot to make an ajax Request, or handled a lot of plain javascript before "Jquery", "Yui", "Scriptaculous", "prototype" appeared. I also think that there you do not have to be a CSS guru to be able to assembly a lot of HTML code in one page. After all, i guess an agile team would have a HTML & CSS guru that would make the templates before you actually implement some real layout (i mean final layout) in your pages
@bgHost, yes you might consider that the framework has become relatively hard to understand, and work with... But, personally, like it. Yes... is hard for the beginers. I have tried to start using it from Sf 0.9.4 version (around 2-3 years ago), and i have failed. That was my mistake. I hadn't the right level of knowledge of OOP. I have started to use it around 1 year and 3 months ago on sf 1.1.7, and i can say that if you compare sf 1.0.x and sf 1.2.x, then yes ... there is a lot of major changes, like the forms framework or the validators, or the tasks that maybe too many in the cmd line... but.. the framework itself is outrageous. I guess that symfony would be able to handle without any problems any various number of applications. From Hello World application up to Video Platforms (VeeVid), financial applications or even online games. I guess all that matters in the end is the approach of the software that you want to build. Symfony is not hard to understand if you read the generated code itself, or read the doc between the lines or even digg up in the Plugin sources, or snippets codes. Of course... That will take some time ... but, after you learn the very basic structure of an application, you'll see that is relativelly simple to use it, and if you use an IDE, then whole thing will be much easier. You say that you have tried Jobeet tutorial, who was written for SF 1.1. There are some things that have been modified meanwile ... Of course there is a lot of documentation that needs to be read... Reference book, forms book, maybe swift mailer doc (if you want that your app to be able to send mail), Doctrine / Propel reference ... but, in the end, You will be able to make a very scalable application, with a higly level of scalability and security. (Personally i do not think i have read more 20 % percents of the whole documentation provided). Alecs On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:59 PM, a...@speedypin.com <a...@speedypin.com>wrote: > > It may be the case that Jobeet is trying to help you learn Symfony, so > it is designed to touch on all the configurations, intentionally, so > one becomes aware of them. > > On Sep 18, 7:45 am, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I thought on all parameters: in the command line, and various > > configuration parameters in various configuration files. > > > > On Sep 18, 4:38 pm, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You mean parameters to the command line? > > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:29, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, > > > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think > > > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration > > > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration > > > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the > > > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework > > > > than with the real problem. > > > > > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. > > > > > > WBR, > > > > Ghost3D > > > > > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <sid.bacht...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively > simple > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it > too > > > > > much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. > > > > > > > But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find > > > > > great leverage in using Symfony. > > > > > > > So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to > build? > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively > simple > > > > > > application. > > > > > > Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. > > > > > > > > So, Symfony - Goodbye > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > > > > > -- > > > Sidney G B Ferreira > > > Desenvolvedor Web > > > -- As programmers create bigger & better idiot proof programs, so the universe creates bigger & better idiots! I am on web: http://www.alecslupu.ro/ I am on twitter: http://twitter.com/alecslupu I am on linkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alecslupu Tel: (+4)0748.543.798 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
